Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[Something_Smart]

but as town you wouldn't feel motivated to tip the scales?

nope. I'll answer any questions skitter wants, but otherwise I'll let her do her own thing because I believe she's competent enough to come to the correct conclusion.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

deadass my biggest fear rn is us executing dsjstr, him flipping scum, pooky making up some arguments about "oh i was right on the game state dsj was actually scum" and y'all believe him and town ends up losing

pedit: skitt no this isn't the scum PT

im actually pretty worried dsj is town here

Then who is scum, then?

lets say i am lynched today.

assuming tw dies in the night and flips bg and someone else confirms skitter as FM tommorrow, then I think the scum would be SS/Raven in the endgame.

if tw doesnt die and skitter dies- I think there is a strong chance tw/SS are the scum.

if datisi dies and tw lives - I also think it would be tw/SS as scum but this is the hardest scenario imo.

[Something_Smart]

That's if dsjstr was town, though, right? I imagine you didn't have me as scum if dsjstr flipped scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what no that's after I get lynched today

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lets say i am lynched today.

that's me offering ME to get lynched on DAY 2 and saying that you guys need to get SS tommorrow (D3)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but as town you wouldn't feel motivated to tip the scales?

nope. I'll answer any questions skitter wants, but otherwise I'll let her do her own thing because I believe she's competent enough to come to the correct conclusion.

so basically you will coast because you think skitter is leaning towards voting Pooky out and you want to do your best not to rock the boat by pretending you aren't even here.

Scum-Lurker tactic - let the town hang themselves

[Something_Smart]

Oh, that's weird then. If those were just your reads full stop, then wouldn't you be very confident dsjstr was town, rather than "pretty worried" he was town?

[Something_Smart]

so basically you will coast because you think skitter is leaning towards voting Pooky out and you want to do your best not to rock the boat by pretending you aren't even here.

Scum-Lurker tactic - let the town hang themselves

Yes. Also Town-Lurker tactic - let the town hang the scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh, that's weird then. If those were just your reads full stop, then wouldn't you be very confident dsjstr was town, rather than "pretty worried" he was town?

if I wasn't very confident dsj was town I wouldn't have offered myself up to get lynched in place of him.

I felt you saying that you wanted dsj to get killed was very much like a scum pushing a lowhanging fruit lynch without really thinking about the solve

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so basically you will coast because you think skitter is leaning towards voting Pooky out and you want to do your best not to rock the boat by pretending you aren't even here.

Scum-Lurker tactic - let the town hang themselves

Yes. Also Town-Lurker tactic - let the town hang the scum.

um I dunno if you've noticed but we haven't hung any scum so I'm not sure where you get the idea it's ok to "town-lurk"

[Something_Smart]

Well, didn't you say it yourself? It's looking like my scumreads are gonna get killed. So why wouldn't it be okay for me to lurk?

(This is of course a simplification, because I'm doing anything but lurking. By lurking I presume you mean not taking an active role in pushing my reads.)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

only if you had absolute confidence in your scumreads being correct - something which you adamantly deny being the case.

[Something_Smart]

I don't follow. Why would I want to take more of a lead in pushing my scumreads, if I were less sure of them? If by some chance my solve is wrong, it's likely going to fall to skitter to figure that out. If I were throwing tons of arguments about why it's Pooky/Raven at her, wouldn't that make it harder for her to find the correct solve?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because if you're not sure of your scumreads - you'd want to engage them in conversation and try to figure out if your scumread is accurate or not. You've basically coasted this entire game because I don't think you particularly care about solving it

[Raven Branwen]

like your play this game has been so lazy and sloppy that you have managed to melt away any goodwill/town-iness that Koba built up and your default response seems to be "WELL LOOK AT HOW TOWNY KOBA WAS"

GUESS WHAT KOBA ISNT FUCKING PLAYING THIS GAME ANYMORE YOU ARE

I don't understand what this is supposed to prove? Koba and I share the same role PM. Koba's ISO is and always has been towny, and it will always continue to be.

This is just a fancy way for you to say that I've been scummy without any evidence.

I liked koba too initially but I was convinced that Ank was locktown in a game where she flipped scum

[Raven Branwen]

because he has absolute confidence in his solve and he doesn't even care about the possibility he could be wrong

Ding ding ding

[Raven Branwen]

if someone plays really townie for half a day that doesn't mean it lasts for the rest of the game - you have to keep playing townie to look townie

no???

the definition of towny is above average likelihood to be town. if someone plays above average likelihood to be town for a bit, and then plays average likelihood to be town... they are still above average likelihood to be town, albeit less so.

If someone plays EXTREMELY above average likelihood to be town, even for a very short duration, they will still be extremely above average likelihood to be town for the whole game, unless they do something extremely below average likelihood to be town. I can demonstrate the math here, if you actually care.

In that game where Ank was scum, she fit the very textbook definition of bleeding obvtown and when her hydra partner took over and did some slimy shit, I said they can’t possibly be scum because there’s no freaking world where Ank could ever possibly be scum and when that player replaced out and their replacement was acting even scummier, I dug in my heals and maintained my locktown read on that slot. I’m never letting that fucking happen to me ever again.

[Raven Branwen]

Now instead of doing the "figure something out" part- you've gone back to "we need to lynch Pooky/Raven"

Which means your response was full of shit to begin with

Datisi changed his mind on Raven. That is one of the main things that caused my view of the game to come into focus.

If he hadn't done that, I'd probably be pushing him, but I would be torn between him and ducky.

Thanks for proving Pooky’s point. You weren’t reconsidering ME!

[Raven Branwen]

You both are speaking essentially in unison today.

You are pulling whatever you can out of my ISO and assigning it scum motivation without actually analyzing it, and you're shooting down whatever I say and trying to gaslight me by suggesting that my arguments are insane. You're ignoring the evidence I have given of decision making and insisting that you actually know what I did or didn't think about. You both have expressed a token suspicion on the other but ultimately decided that I was the right one to kill.

This is not at all a cooperative mindset. This is adversarial. This method of twisting the facts could be confirmation bias-- but confirmation bias rarely manifests itself in such a sudden (neither of you were remotely tunneled on me before today) or coordinated (you both are doing this in exactly the same way at exactly the same time) manner.

Meanwhile I have basically sat here and taken it, trying to deflect and break down your arguments while engaging the people I trust and trying to get on the same page as them (and get them on the same page as each other). I haven't really presented any arguments of my own, because I don't necessarily think that what I can produce is more meaningful than what they can produce, and whatever case they make will certainly be more meaningful to them.

The bolded is why your solve is bullshit. In a world where you’re actually town here (doubt it), you figure that out. You are the one gaslighting here. You’re not right and you clearly dgaf and if you’re actually town, I’d really like to know why.

[Raven Branwen]

SS claim: Raven is pretty decent as scum.

Also SS claim: Scum!Raven is clearly a moron who is trying to set herself up to gamethrow. Which one is it SS? Am I decent at scum or am I a suicidal gamethrowing moron?

You can’t have it both ways.

[Raven Branwen]

SS claim: Raven is pretty decent as scum.

Also SS claim: Scum!Raven is clearly a moron who is trying to set herself up to gamethrow. Which one is it SS? Am I decent at scum or am I a suicidal gamethrowing moron?

You can’t have it both ways.

And before you say you never actually said that, you’re very clearly implying it, even if you don’t think that’s exactly what you’re doing.

FACT: You, Dats, tw all want to kill Pooky who is almost certain to be the executee. If I’m his freaking buddy, then I’m setting myself up to follow immediately after. Why would scum!me do that?

Answer to onyone who is actually town/capable of rational thought: I obviously wouldn’t, because I’m literally not a freaking moron ffs!

[Raven Branwen]

I honestly can’t tell what is making me angrier, being wrongly scumread or being considered a fucking imbecile.

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