Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[notscience]

VOTE: the bulge

[Bell]

I'm going to regret this, but I'm going back to sleep.

[Andresvmb]

Bell, I think a lot of information from your slot is just that - I can't see you tilting hard for a solve.

Andres is almost too scummy to be scum, and I'm struggling to see what his next move is here as scum when I flip town. Yesterday, we had the interaction where he scum read me for something that iv had come after me for, was a non issue and just...doubles down on it, which I wouldn't expect from new!scum. Bulge asked about the wagon on him - the wagons just all fell apart close to deadline yesterday, and it was clear that the people online (me, iv, NS, kinda Andres) wanted an elim.

The day or so before, Andres hops off me, bulge into Andres, I ask got consolidation and Andres acts like he doesn't understand why, ns jokes about elim ing IV for town credit ,Walter pops up and is useless, iv offers to self hammer to get an elim, (and after this I think most votes come from desperation),ns defends Andres, bell votes Nash??(why?) And IV follows, Walter follows, Nash votes Andres, ms defends Nash, Nash votes iv (omgus??),, Bell votes Andres, I vote iv, call the bash wagon bad, bell pushes Andres, bell hammers (although this may have been an accident?)

There's actually a much bigger push on Andres towards the very end of the day, which I didn't really notice at the time , and that Nash wagon popped up out of nowhere. I'd say if Andres is scum, bell and NS look really bad in comparison, around that wagon. Andres spending a lot of time today encouraging a hammer on me when I was in vla and also wasn't on E-1 is super gross, and just happened to me fron scum in another game. Maybe I'm over thinking this and too scummy to be scum is just scum.

The thing stopping me scum reading bell is that turn around on our for...no reason.

Bulge is town, although I can't see why he's had town reading notty: I've just played a game with notty where I played like this, this is very much my nornal town meta.

Shelly is a big null.
I think joy is town, if only for having their own takes on the game.

When people call others too Scummy to be Scum, it’s almost a way of saying “this person is so bad, it’s almost hard to believe they’re actually Scum”. So thanks for that.

I find it interesting that you’re interpretation of me asking why someone hasn’t voted for you when they’re consistently shading you (when you’re at E-2 btw, which you really should have checked), is that I’m asking for someone to hammer you. Besides being factually incorrect, you’re not being helpful.

[Andresvmb]

This post was just a rehash of voting action at the end of D1, with a crappy conclusion. So I’m not immediately swayed as if you’re definitely Town and not just flailing Scum, but I need to re-read and I won’t get to that until later tonight.

[PlusJOYED]

This post was just a rehash of voting action at the end of D1, with a crappy conclusion. So I’m not immediately swayed as if you’re definitely Town and not just flailing Scum, but I need to re-read and I won’t get to that until later tonight.

I'm leaning towards this being scum flailing, mainly since she didn't claim. Trying to solve is probably one of the best defenses without actually claiming, but can be faked. Her general defensiveness throughout the game is a scumtell imo

[shellyc]

VOTE: the bulge

What is this silent vote NS? I thought you put them as town-ish earlier if I recall correctly

[shellyc]

Do not hammer Bellephant.
That was a pretty townie post.

Don't get how that's especially townie. It was just a readslist.

[shellyc]

I'm leaning towards this being scum flailing, mainly since she didn't claim. Trying to solve is probably one of the best defenses without actually claiming, but can be faked. Her general defensiveness throughout the game is a scumtell imo

IMO that readslist was NAI. They still have not claimed though, which is a big red flag to me. General defensiveness is also a scumtell to me, but I'm usually fairly defensive when pushed as well.

[notscience]

Yeah I’m pretty sure this dudes town

Joyed
Bell

Are my two locked towns idk with the rest of you

And Shelly too

Scums in the people who are you guys I think

[PlusJOYED]

Pretty sure bell and andres are town. Bulge is slight town lean, shellyc slight town lean, bella is scum lean, notscience is heavy scumlean. I'm like 95% sure either Notscience or bella is mafia; I'm willing to take those odds. Notscience is my prefered lynch here but it seems the rest of town don't want to lynch him. So I'm tempted to just hammer bella unless they claim a PR. And if Bella is inno then I'm very confident notscience is maf and will vote for them day 3 if I survive, potentially forcing the town to lynch either myself or notscience. If Bella is maf, there is still a possibility that notscience is maf but considerably less (though it increased in my eyes a bit after notscience changed votes).

[notscience]

You read on me is literally that I seem too town. You need to seriously reevaluate if you want to fuck over a potentional clown or you lose situation for a read that boils down to playstyle and seems too townie to be town.

[Bell]

^ That's the first townie post NS has made all game.

[Bell]

Also, sorry I slept literally all day. Which is probably, not a good sign.

[notscience]

I’m telling you dude lol. I don’t know how I feel about bella I genuinely think her read change on me reads genuine town

[Bell]

Why do you think the Bulge is scum NS?
Or should I wait until he comes in here and responds to you?

[notscience]

Both are based off a game we just finished.

I was scum vs them. Bella had me as town and would therefore make sense to read change me like she did after being wrong, that extra paranoia says more town

But bulge just feels different. Even though I was scum there I would have genuinely townread him but I don’t feel that way here.

[notscience]

I know he’s busy right now too and it makes it hard but I can’t shake that thought

[Bell]

I tried to meta the bulge and his only scum game his town was really, really off.

[PlusJOYED]

^ That's the first townie post NS has made all game.

Agreed, glad I wasn't the only one thinking this.
Hmmm....

[Bell]

Ewbop: Tone.

[PlusJOYED]

Ewbop: Tone.

what does this mean

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: The Bulge

[Andresvmb]

Nah that vote is probably wrong. I need to figure out what I want to do this game. I think that if Bella was Town, they would have been probably hammered by now.

I’ll switch back.

VOTE: Bella

[Andresvmb]

There’s still a lot of time. I’m going to re-read the game and come back with some more detailed thoughts. I feel like I’ve been slacking a little and I could be better.

I think shellyc is the only player to be almost firm Town the way everybody is speaking about the slot.

[shellyc]

Nah that vote is probably wrong. I need to figure out what I want to do this game. I think that if Bella was Town, they would have been probably hammered by now.

What does this mean? Why is a the bulge vote wrong? Care to explain?