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[LavarManos]

I was townreading MUSH because she entered the thread in a really natural and bold way. I suppose this could be fakeable, but I feel like she is also playing rather boldly and that also contributed to my townlean. Since some of you guys don't think so, can you explain your read on her to me?
Also, what is your read on Fredrick?

[Redados]

Mush, I don't have a read on you.

What are your thoughts then?

I'm hoping that more thoughts come to me as the game continues.

[Frogsterking]

How about that hammer though

[Frogsterking]

I"m so drunk right now guys

[LavarManos]

I will be around later before the deadline, so I will be able to hammer her (although it is not my first choice).
Redados is now a townread for me though. He also seems very natural and at-home. I know if I was scum, I would not be like him!

[Frogsterking]

Lavar what made you interested in queuing for a replacement slot instead of a new one?

[Frogsterking]

I don’t really disagree that rocknil could be a miselimination waiting to happen...

So then should we really eliminate him? He may stink as a player, but if that’s not the best move than maybe we should rethink it. Frogster has already done so in 336 & 338.

He IS, unequivocally, the easiest target to get a wagon on based on stated elimination pools. He also is one of the lowest engagement players and THE lowest information player, and his elimination (regardless of flip) substantially tightens the game state.

What am I missing with Frederick?

Reframing this: Does anyone except Shelly object to a Shelly elimination? Can we get a lock on an elimination wagon and promises that active players will push it to completion no matter their gripes, please? Because otherwise I’m saying that we stick with rocknil because no other player is that slow to respond and lacking in any informational content, and no other player has as many potential happy voters waiting to plonk down on them.

I don’t object. As the day has gone on I feel more comfortable with it. I just had to build the read more organically, so even though we clashed, thanks for letting me see that.

Second reframe: Shelly is a high information target for elimination, MagikHorse is not.

MagikHorse has done far less interacting with the majority of players, more bouncing off of them than pushing anything too hard.

Since Frogster’s MagikHorse vote is in part based on scum-interpreted Shelly interactions, I would recommend her over him.

(Bolded) And how do you feel about this? What are your feelings towards Magik, unless of course you don’t want to reveal it, then I guess it’s fine.

@Frogsterking: Coukd you let me know what towntold is again. I asked one of the SE’s last game and I’ve looked in his posts but I can’t find what he said.

(added bold)

It's possible I and the SE in question were referring to different things. To me towntold means the same as "they seem like town" or "i have a townlean feeling on this guy." Maybe the context I (and others) say towntold is referring to a specific incident while in other situations I (and others) might instead say townread to refer to incidents in general about a specific player. Again though it's possible we were referring to different things so it could be something good to learn more about.

[Frogsterking]

I pushed on Magik because I was curious what would happen and my gameplan as scum (if I wanted to win) would be to look like Magik pretty much. And just towntell during lylo.

If I were scum and wanted to have fun I would play like shelly.

I think I looked through Magik's meta and noticed he'd been hoping he would get to play scum on this site. Which makes me think if Magik queued and flipped scum it would look similar to how he's playing now because he's played it (successfully) on other websites or medias and not this one and would like to win this first time.

The main reason I would single Magik out for something like this is that I feel like his approach as scum especially when he wanted to win would be more technical which is how he's playing now.

The reason I deleted this stuff earlier was that I realized it was ridiculous to sr someone for seeming townie enough. I think overall Magik is prob town.

[shellyc]

Am i getting hammered yet? Not much time left.

[shellyc]

I pushed on Magik because I was curious what would happen and my gameplan as scum (if I wanted to win) would be to look like Magik pretty much. And just towntell during lylo.

If I were scum and wanted to have fun I would play like shelly.

I think I looked through Magik's meta and noticed he'd been hoping he would get to play scum on this site. Which makes me think if Magik queued and flipped scum it would look similar to how he's playing now because he's played it (successfully) on other websites or medias and not this one and would like to win this first time.

The main reason I would single Magik out for something like this is that I feel like his approach as scum especially when he wanted to win would be more technical which is how he's playing now.

The reason I deleted this stuff earlier was that I realized it was ridiculous to sr someone for seeming townie enough. I think overall Magik is prob town.

Lol what does "If I were scum and wanted to have fun I would play like shelly" mean

[shellyc]

Also, what is your read on Fredrick?

Stated before, they are my lynchpool. Speaking of which, I know this vote will be useless but when you look back at VCA later, this vote will be here.
VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

[Frogsterking]

I've given myself enough time to let the thread sink in I think and MagikHorse stuck out too much.

In my opinion if the rocknil lynch will just go down like that either i just nailed it straight out of the park or the scum are in the mid-activity posters like magikhorse and if not him then italiano. I feel too much for the hubris and what-not which makes me change even if that means sometimes i was just right the first time.

Why do I stick out, and what are you saying regarding the Rocknil elim here?

I think you stuck out because I wanted to townread you and I was not sure how certain you were about your read on shelly. As far as rocknil goes I'm fine with either rocknil or shelly.

[Frogsterking]

I pushed on Magik because I was curious what would happen and my gameplan as scum (if I wanted to win) would be to look like Magik pretty much. And just towntell during lylo.

If I were scum and wanted to have fun I would play like shelly.

I think I looked through Magik's meta and noticed he'd been hoping he would get to play scum on this site. Which makes me think if Magik queued and flipped scum it would look similar to how he's playing now because he's played it (successfully) on other websites or medias and not this one and would like to win this first time.

The main reason I would single Magik out for something like this is that I feel like his approach as scum especially when he wanted to win would be more technical which is how he's playing now.

The reason I deleted this stuff earlier was that I realized it was ridiculous to sr someone for seeming townie enough. I think overall Magik is prob town.

Lol what does "If I were scum and wanted to have fun I would play like shelly" mean

I meant it literally. Especially if you and Frederick are the scum team, I thought that was so funny.

[MagikHorse]

Aside from Shelly and Frogster: everyone explain why I’m town.

Drawing out information through the early game (even using fluffier posts to do so), plenty of informative "hot takes" like 89 and 304 that aren't afraid to ruffle a few feathers, and snapping me out of the dumb Italiano argument helps as well (I daresay scum would've probably been happy if I just kept my focus on him all day long). Overall you're utterly oozing with drive and determination to figure players out, not just eliminate them, and you've now kept to your promise to explain things as well.

I would still like a response to 431 though, though I will amend that I've re-ISO'd Italiano and found his 149 rather weird, like he was trying to placate the town with a more valid reason to justify the Shelly scumread when we started to squeeze down on him about his fallacious logic. Am I reading too much into this, or is this worth the callout?

[MagikHorse]

That post took way too long. My internet is having a stroke or something.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I don’t know why Shelly is saying there’s not that much time left when we have over 12 hours to go, and multiple players circling like vultures.

Personally, I want more from Frederick before end of day.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Unfortunately, I don't really have any strong reads to offer. Even my town-read on Redados is extremely weak.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually, looking at the player list, it seems that I have a minor townread on everyone except for shellyc and rocknil.

[ItalianoVD]

Actually, looking at the player list, it seems that I have a minor townread on everyone except for shellyc and rocknil.

Aside from Shelly and Frogster: everyone explain why I’m town.

Drawing out information through the early game (even using fluffier posts to do so), plenty of informative "hot takes" like 89 and 304 that aren't afraid to ruffle a few feathers, and snapping me out of the dumb Italiano argument helps as well (I daresay scum would've probably been happy if I just kept my focus on him all day long). Overall you're utterly oozing with drive and determination to figure players out, not just eliminate them, and you've now kept to your promise to explain things as well.

I would still like a response to 431 though, though I will amend that I've re-ISO'd Italiano and found his 149 rather weird, like he was trying to placate the town with a more valid reason to justify the Shelly scumread when we started to squeeze down on him about his fallacious logic. Am I reading too much into this, or is this worth the callout?

Weak. If you’re gonna call me out, then call me out. And yes that read was facetious, since you and Mush were saying how bad my reasons for reading Shelly were. You, however, responded and said it was better and now you wanna come back and push it again?

[ItalianoVD]

Actually, looking at the player list, it seems that I have a minor townread on everyone except for shellyc and rocknil.

So are you gonna vote for them?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Anyone have any last contributions? 12 hours and some change left, a hammer vote is coming sooner or later at this point, and one of us won't be here for Day 2. Get your last impulses and reads and ideas out, tell us Day 2 plans, etc.

Clock's ticking.

[MagikHorse]

Weak. If you’re gonna call me out, then call me out. And yes that read was facetious, since you and Mush were saying how bad my reasons for reading Shelly were. You, however, responded and said it was better and now you wanna come back and push it again?

The only way I said it was better was that it was the first thing with any substance to it, but on reread I'm questioning whether it was naturally made or forced out to try and get us off of your back. I can agree that it's better but question why that improvement was made, can I not?

I don't think asking to see if my head is on straight is a bad thing either, especially since I felt like I was projecting malicious intent onto your stubbornness to your bad case a ton earlier, and don't want to risk doing the same again. Better to check my head if I think I might be going off in the wrong direction than to proceed and dig myself into the same hole again.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Actually, looking at the player list, it seems that I have a minor townread on everyone except for shellyc and rocknil.

So are you gonna vote for them?

I don't see the point.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I won't be around at the last hour before the deadline. Unless you guys are fine for a hammer in six hours or less than six hours before deadline, I can't place the hammer.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

As far as I am personally concerned, we are late enough that a hammer can fall at any time safely. If someone tells me to jump, I’ll do it: I just want to make sure everyone’s said their piece.