Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[the worst]

i know i'm engaging with scum and it's still so frustrating

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- in deciding between towsjstr and pooky I decide that no I don't want to push Pooky over the cliff, I would rather elim dsj. This leaves dsj, who is self claimedly infamously miselimable in xylo dead and pooky, who is transparently heavily invested in the game, alive and ready to push back on me in xylo

Pooky is already mistrusted by the majority of the town - you know datisi has wanted to lynch Pooky since D1.

Also if Pooky is flipped on D2 as town bomb, then your TPR looks a lot worse and DSJ looks a lot better since Pooky hard-defended him even willing to sacrifice his own life.

[the worst]

i'm going to go work, got a deadline today.

[Something_Smart]

So what changed then @SS? Why wouldn’t you think I’d do that with Pooky?

Because it's lylo and you judged that you wouldn't have a chance if Pooky died anyway?

[Raven Branwen]

oh like
I don't know
pooky has clearly identified his win condition as surviving & pulling off a miselim today. that is consistent with the fact you and pooky look aligned and

you have tried your absolute hardest to push anything but pooky

. I don't really know when you might/might not have thought it would be better to bus?

pedit: yeah sorry it clicked; I'm not really sure I have a strong opinion on it

Who other than SS have I been pushing?

Not you, definitely not Dats. Why are you misrepping me here?

[Raven Branwen]

So what changed then @SS? Why wouldn’t you think I’d do that with Pooky?

Because it's lylo and you judged that you wouldn't have a chance if Pooky died anyway?

Riiiight because bussing him here would have clearly given me 0 towncred. You straight up said that’s what would make the most sense for scum!me to do here, so you’re seriously arguing that I’m arrogant enough to think I 100% pull off that extremely risky gambit as opposed to just playing it safe by walking back my read on Pooky because that’s what obviously would make me look the best here.

But because I think you’re more likely to flip scum than Pooky and I don’t want us to lose, I’d be an absolute fool not to trust my gut that Pooky tonally feels differently to me here than in coalition and I’ve been burned way too many times when I’ve ignored my gut and if I didn’t follow it and I’m wrong, then I could nrver forgive myself. Especially not after that game I was in where I doubted my gut and let scum persuade me to vote out my strongest trs. Yes, that 100% happened and I felt like total shit afterwards.

[Something_Smart]

You straight up said that’s what would make the most sense for scum!me to do here

Where did I say that? If I did, I take it back.

[Raven Branwen]

You straight up said that’s what would make the most sense for scum!me to do here

Where did I say that? If I did, I take it back.

not if you're scum with aldu ...

Hard disagree? If Raven is scum with Alduskkel surely she ends his misery now before they give up more associatives?

[Raven Branwen]

So what changed then @SS? Why wouldn’t you think I’d do that with Pooky?

Because it's lylo and you judged that you wouldn't have a chance if Pooky died anyway?

There were 4 people wanting to execute Pooky. What do you think makes more sense for scum!me to do? Completely bury my head in the sand and pretend my game isn’t 100% done after his flip or find some plausible reason to bus him and make at least some obvious effort to try and distance him if it should fail?

This isn’t like the game where the rest of the players in [redacted] where they were undecided between flipping scum![redacted] and LHF town. There I actually had a viable shot and fyi and you should also literally know from Trust Fall, this isn’t how I play scum. That’s why I said it’s understandable for Skitter and Dats to think this but you should know from that game, this isn’t how I treat a scumbuddy.

[Something_Smart]

Right, I forgot that all scenarios are exactly the same even if the people and context involved are different.

[Raven Branwen]

So what changed then @SS? Why wouldn’t you think I’d do that with Pooky?

Because it's lylo and you judged that you wouldn't have a chance if Pooky died anyway?

There were 4 people wanting to execute Pooky. What do you think makes more sense for scum!me to do? Completely bury my head in the sand and pretend my game isn’t 100% done after his flip or find some plausible reason to bus him and make at least some obvious effort to try and distance him if it should fail?

This isn’t like the game where the rest of the players in [redacted] where they were undecided between flipping scum![redacted] and LHF town. There I actually had a viable shot and fyi and you should also literally know from Trust Fall, this isn’t how I play scum. That’s why I said it’s understandable for Skitter and Dats to think this but you should know from that game, this isn’t how I treat a scumbuddy.

Also in that game, no one even thought [redacted] was my buddy, so no one was even suspicious of me fighting for them.

[Raven Branwen]

Right, I forgot that all scenarios are exactly the same even if the people and context involved are different.

What you “forgot” is that what Pooky is saying about scum!me most certainly bussing him rather than executing dsjstr, the slot locktowning me. I’m not a noob at playing scum and only a noob would play this suboptimally and you know from TF, I don’t play that badly, so why wouldn’t I find the fact that you’re completely discounting the possibility that you could be wrong here at all concerning?

[Something_Smart]

I mean you're also repeating that same line like a stuck record even though I've addressed it a bunch of times, so if you're town you're also playing this pretty badly.

[Raven Branwen]

I mean you're also repeating that same line like a stuck record even though I've addressed it a bunch of times, so if you're town you're also playing this pretty badly.

Yes, I’m aware of your argument and I’ve made it clear I strongly disagree with it. And you’re also not acknowledging that I recently added new information in 5160, so how does that qualify as “stuck”?

I’m really not sure what you mean specifically by “playing this pretty badly”?

[Something_Smart]

5160 doesn't relate to the accusation that I don't seem to be showing any signs of doubt, which is what I was referring to.

It is proper play to set doubt aside at some point in lylo and take your best shot. Whether or not you agree with this has no bearing on whether you believe that I would do it as town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so if you're town you're also playing this pretty badly.

in which universe is Pooky scum and Raven town and SS town? Can you even come up with a game-state where this makes sense?

[Raven Branwen]

5160 doesn't relate to the accusation that I don't seem to be showing any signs of doubt, which is what I was referring to.

It is proper play to set doubt aside at some point in lylo and take your best shot. Whether or not you agree with this has no bearing on whether you believe that I would do it as town.

c'mon skitter I shouldn't have to towncase myself. the raven/pooky scumcase practically writes itself.

This is possibly the first sign I’ve seen of you doing that since then.

[Raven Branwen]

I mean you're also repeating that same line like a stuck record even though I've addressed it a bunch of times, so if you're town you're also playing this pretty badly.

I meant this post obviously.

[Raven Branwen]

5160 doesn't relate to the accusation that I don't seem to be showing any signs of doubt, which is what I was referring to.

It is proper play to set doubt aside at some point in lylo and take your best shot. Whether or not you agree with this has no bearing on whether you believe that I would do it as town.

c'mon skitter I shouldn't have to towncase myself. the raven/pooky scumcase practically writes itself.

This is possibly the first sign I’ve seen of you doing that since then.

And actually wrt 5164, I disagree with that because Dats is correct that we should do everything conceivably possible to avoid getting it wrong.

[Something_Smart]

in which universe is Pooky scum and Raven town and SS town? Can you even come up with a game-state where this makes sense?

I would like to give Raven more credit than that, but I will admit that mafia has stretched my ability to believe incredible things significantly.

It sure doesn't make sense, but that doesn't rule it out.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so give a scenario where those three things are true - you have just suggested they are right?

[Something_Smart]

I mean, the team would be Pooky/Datisi in that case. Of course, I would be floored if that were true, but I've been floored like that before.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea you don't really believe it's Datisi/Pooky, that's like legit not even possible.

Datisi is about 3 lightyears outside his scum-range at this point in terms of fake-able emotion.

[skitter30]

it's the fact that if we *don't* lose, skitt's going to die and duck us probably going to die and then i'll be left alone to make the choice in f3.

If it helps, i super deeply sympathize with this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the game is over today either way

if you flip me it ends here


if you flip ss, the other one will get flipped tommorrow for sure.