Mini Normal 2159 | Cinder Block Mafia | Game Over!

[Raya36]

Just as personal preference, or are you better as a player in late game?

just a preference

selfvotes are always scummy

I don’t know if it’s only a scum based action, but definitely anti-town. On that note

@Nosferatu: what purpose does it serve besides ATE? Which is not helping town, but helping yourself? With the numbers the way it is a townie elimination on Day 1 will not break or lose the game for town. I know play styles/personality have a lot to do with how players react to pressure and wagons being formed on them, etc., but your action seemed fake and forced (scum) or at the very least bad unhelpful play (townie)

i literally wanted to just get eliminated to spite the town lol ive done it as scum for AtE but its never been called out as such its not really all that deep

selfvotes are always scummy

nice dodge

How was that a dodge? You self-voted, I find self-votes to be scummy. You're frustrating read as fake

i literally didn't ask your opinion on self-votes
the fact that you feel the need to back up ur opinion after i call ur post scummy is v interesting

I can see it the same way as you. Calling my post a dodge felt like deflection.

[Nosferatu]

a deflection from what

[BananaCucho]

selfvotes are always scummy

They arent pro town

That's true. Ok self votes are always anti-town. And I read this particular time as scummy

The day is so early though. Why is this scummy in this instance? What's the play? There's till so much time left for day 1, his lunch is in no way a forgone conclusion

[Raya36]

A deflection from me calling your self vote scummy. I call your self vote scummy and you say me calling it that is scummy. Deflection.

[Raya36]

selfvotes are always scummy

They arent pro town

That's true. Ok self votes are always anti-town. And I read this particular time as scummy

The day is so early though. Why is this scummy in this instance? What's the play? There's till so much time left for day 1, his lunch is in no way a forgone conclusion

No but he's building up a wagon and suspicion so he could easily have faked the frustration (with the self vote to emphasize) to appear more town

[Nosferatu]

A deflection from me calling your self vote scummy. I call your self vote scummy and you say me calling it that is scummy. Deflection.

in what way is that deflection

[Nosferatu]

you call my post scummy --> i call your post scummy --> you make an absolutist statement that cannot be engaged with

who broke off the discussion? i think its u here

[BananaCucho]

selfvotes are always scummy

They arent pro town

That's true. Ok self votes are always anti-town. And I read this particular time as scummy

The day is so early though. Why is this scummy in this instance? What's the play? There's till so much time left for day 1, his lunch is in no way a forgone conclusion

No but he's building up a wagon and suspicion so he could easily have faked the frustration (with the self vote to emphasize) to appear more town

The frustration feels genuine though - this whole thing started over basically nothing, pushed by Frog and then multiple people have piled on

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I the only one that thinks that is townreading Nos? I don't understand the scumreads on him and the votes on him feel opportunistic at best

I don't townread him myself but I also think the wagon on him isn't good, for probably what you've already expressed

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I want to add banana to my townblock
I also kinda like post 421 as a town post

[Gamma Emerald]

A deflection from me calling your self vote scummy. I call your self vote scummy and you say me calling it that is scummy. Deflection.

I think I know what you're trying to say, don't particularly agree, but it's not exactly a bad logic

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: Italiano

This guy pinged me like super opportunistic in my catchup. Wagon jumping like crazy, jumping on Nos for being "unhelpful and pointless" (weak vote) and then to call as that wagon seemed to be building as well

[geraintm]

Dayvig: Gamma

@RCenigma - you have call for judgement as scum, but you have just killed Gamma??

Cfj is the easier to elim, so yes.

Sorry, no clue what this means. What is dayvig? Gamma is killed?

I assume so, I see no reason for them to lie. I'm just waiting for mod to turn up

[Nosferatu]

o/ gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

what's up Nosf?

Also that last post by geraint is kinda sketchy
tbh I kinda thought they were a newb but I was thinking about how that would impact this thought, checked, and they have been active in normal games recently, so the idea of the lost townie who might be just taking things at face value doesn't really apply

[Raya36]

you call my post scummy --> i call your post scummy --> you make an absolutist statement that cannot be engaged with

who broke off the discussion? i think its u here

Its deflection because after calling your post scummy you immediately call mine scummy too. And it wasnt an absolutist statement considering people are arguing with me

[Raya36]

selfvotes are always scummy

They arent pro town

That's true. Ok self votes are always anti-town. And I read this particular time as scummy

The day is so early though. Why is this scummy in this instance? What's the play? There's till so much time left for day 1, his lunch is in no way a forgone conclusion

No but he's building up a wagon and suspicion so he could easily have faked the frustration (with the self vote to emphasize) to appear more town

The frustration feels genuine though - this whole thing started over basically nothing, pushed by Frog and then multiple people have piled on

Maybe I should reread but it came off as fake on my first read

[Nosferatu]

you call my post scummy --> i call your post scummy --> you make an absolutist statement that cannot be engaged with

who broke off the discussion? i think its u here

Its deflection because after calling your post scummy you immediately call mine scummy too. And it wasnt an absolutist statement considering people are arguing with me

you literally said "self-votes are always scummy".
that is by definition an absolutist statement

[Raya36]

A deflection from me calling your self vote scummy. I call your self vote scummy and you say me calling it that is scummy. Deflection.

I think I know what you're trying to say, don't particularly agree, but it's not exactly a bad logic

Well good to know that I'm not going crazy

[ItalianoVD]

Tone feels town, I have also done the exact same thing as town multiple times myself in the past.

I respect that. I actually did it myself in two games I’ve played here, but was told it was stupid and anti-town, so when I see, I assume that’s what it is.

Mainly, I don't see the play here from a scum POV. Especially with the self vote. I understand the "AtE" argument but it feels like suboptimal play, he could just attempt to brush off the criticism as scum instead of going ham like this and self voting

I see. Have you played with Nosferatu as both alignments?

if i was scum i probs would've waited for like a couple more votes before throwing a tantrum what was i at like 2-3 votes lmao?

When people say this, I never get with it. People say this all time and expect the town to just say “oh okay, if you said it, it has to be true”. I’m saying it can be faked, however, I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Nosferatu]

what's up Nosf?

waving goodbye before the mod comes and you die :(

[Gamma Emerald]

okay does no one know how the role rules work rn

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly I'm just waiting for cfj to come in because I'm 100% sure he knows what I'm talking about

[BananaCucho]

Mainly, I don't see the play here from a scum POV. Especially with the self vote. I understand the "AtE" argument but it feels like suboptimal play, he could just attempt to brush off the criticism as scum instead of going ham like this and self voting

I see. Have you played with Nosferatu as both alignments?

I haven't played with anyone here

[BananaCucho]

what's up Nosf?

waving goodbye before the mod comes and you die

Oh lmao it was a wave

o7 we salute you gamma, so long