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[Raya36]

okay does no one know how the role rules work rn

I thought dayvig was a thing in normals :/

[Gamma Emerald]

I know how you feel tbh
I didn't know mafia miller couldn't be a thing until I lost a game because of it

[BananaCucho]

I know how you feel tbh
I didn't know mafia miller couldn't be a thing until I lost a game because of it

I mean if its fake why would you point that out now? They did it as a reaction test then

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't explicitly point it out for some time
but Yeah I always knew it wasn't real, so with the newer playerbase for this game I figured it would garner some interesting reactions
Didn't end up being the case, very little seemed to come from it and everyone took it at face value.

[BananaCucho]

I didn't explicitly point it out for some time
but Yeah I always knew it wasn't real, so with the newer playerbase for this game I figured it would garner some interesting reactions
Didn't end up being the case, very little seemed to come from it and everyone took it at face value.

It's poor form to cut someone else's reaction test short tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I didn't cut the cord in the end, Raya did

[ItalianoVD]

okay does no one know how the role rules work rn

Right here.

[Gamma Emerald]

actually I guess that technically is me disclosing it was fake
but I was leaving it to someone else to actually point it out

[ItalianoVD]

Mainly, I don't see the play here from a scum POV. Especially with the self vote. I understand the "AtE" argument but it feels like suboptimal play, he could just attempt to brush off the criticism as scum instead of going ham like this and self voting

I see. Have you played with Nosferatu as both alignments?

I haven't played with anyone here

Hmm, I figured you’ve played with him, which is why you’re saying what you’re saying.

[Nosferatu]

I didn't explicitly point it out for some time
but Yeah I always knew it wasn't real, so with the newer playerbase for this game I figured it would garner some interesting reactions
Didn't end up being the case, very little seemed to come from it and everyone took it at face value.

It's poor form to cut someone else's reaction test short tho

the dayvig is one of the most forced and troll reaction tests there are

almost no one actually does it unironically lol

[Gamma Emerald]

ItalianoVD
callforjudgement

Gamma Emerald
BananaCucho
SJReaver

Not_Mafia
geraintm
Raya36
Frogsterking

Nosferatu

RCEnigma
sordros

WaltertheDunce10

also
VOTE: geraintm
it's not strong but the thing I called out earlier is the first thing in a while that's actively pinged me

[RCEnigma]

I didn't explicitly point it out for some time
but Yeah I always knew it wasn't real, so with the newer playerbase for this game I figured it would garner some interesting reactions
Didn't end up being the case, very little seemed to come from it and everyone took it at face value.

It's poor form to cut someone else's reaction test short tho

the dayvig is one of the most forced and troll reaction tests there are

almost no one actually does it unironically lol

This was more of a mark for death than a reaction test.

[RCEnigma]

It did go over an odd amount of heads though.

[Nosferatu]

noob index is v high for this game

[callforjudgement]

In relation to the fake dayvig, I guess it doesn't matter whether the "dayvigger" knows whether the role exists or not, as long as they think the people they're trying to bait for reactions will think it's real.

Of course, dayvigs don't exist in Normals. A dayvig shot that makes no sense is highly likely fake, anyway; and RCEnigma had a

very

] dubious choice of target. Normally you'd pick a dayvig target to get a reaction from the target, but Gamma Emerald has enough experience to know that it isn't a possible role; or you'd pick a dayvig target who's in the middle of a web of interactions to see how people reacted to the choice, rather than someone who's mostly off to the side. (I really hate fake dayvig gambits, but if I somehow went crazy and decided to do one anyway, I'd most likely choose a slot like Frogster or Nosferatu or Walter, and I would make sure they were online first.)

If Nosferatu is town, then Nosferatu seems to think that I'm town; changing vote in #368 is, in effect, listening to my advice, something which people typically wouldn't do for a scumread. (As for #408, i've been using this avatar since 2011, and you can easily meta some of my games since then to see what my usual posting style is like.)

#379 is the towniest of the votes on me. This is the sort of gamestate in which garnering reactions to wagons seems like a good way to break a deadlock, and I would expect a hypothetically town SJReaver to vote me unless they had strong reads elsewhere (given SJReaver's playstyle); that's exactly what happened.

The reads list in #381 really bothers me; I thought that Italiano's play up to that point was pretty town, but so many players are in the wrong places. Why the Not_Mafia townread out of nowhere, for example? (I'd expect him to have that slot as null.) Why have Walter as town rather than null (a bad case on a player doesn't necessarily make that player town, it just invalidates the case)? I also agree with RCEnigma that having Frogster and Nosferatu as both scum seems unlikely (for what it's worth, I think Frogster thinks his case on Nosferatu is a powerful and convincing case, even though to everyone else it isn't).

I think Banana's recent posting has been townish.


I don't have time for a full post right now, and am about to go offline for a few hours (it's Thursday). I'll be back after that, though.

[BananaCucho]

That's not a full post??????

[Gamma Emerald]

It looks like it’s just reacting to events, not really pushing conversation, that’s prolly what he means

[geraintm]

I assumed it was real because I checked the wiki

Normal Guidelines

Vigilantes are considered Normal on mafiascum.net if their kill flavour is indistinguishable from other factions'. As of 9 November 2015, they must also be town aligned.

And i read that and went "oh..." but every game I play there seems to be a new role I've never played with before.
I wish people wouldn't lie fake claims just confuwe me. I'm a simple man and just want things kept all easy

[geraintm]

ItalianoVD
callforjudgement

Gamma Emerald
BananaCucho
SJReaver

Not_Mafia
geraintm
Raya36
Frogsterking

Nosferatu

RCEnigma
sordros

WaltertheDunce10

also
VOTE: geraintm
it's not strong but the thing I called out earlier is the first thing in a while that's actively pinged me

What thing?
Just a quick post before I'm done for the night, but like a bit more from you please

[geraintm]

okay does no one know how the role rules work rn

I thought dayvig was a thing in normals :/

what's up Nosf?

Also that last post by geraint is kinda sketchy
tbh I kinda thought they were a newb but I was thinking about how that would impact this thought, checked, and they have been active in normal games recently, so the idea of the lost townie who might be just taking things at face value doesn't really apply

Oh, is this what you meant?
Do not underestimate my inabiity to understand what is going on in a game. I quoted in a different post why I thought it was genuine

[ItalianoVD]

And i read that and went "oh..." but every game I play there seems to be a new role I've never played with before.
I wish people wouldn't lie fake claims just confuwe me. I'm a simple man and just want things kept all easy

Yeah same.

[Frogsterking]

Charmander just shot up to FoS #2 for his terrible defense of Nosferatu. Arguably it makes him even scummier than Nosferatu.

[Frogsterking]

ItalianoVD
callforjudgement

Gamma Emerald
BananaCucho
SJReaver

Not_Mafia
geraintm
Raya36
Frogsterking

Nosferatu

RCEnigma
sordros

WaltertheDunce10

also
VOTE: geraintm
it's not strong but the thing I called out earlier is the first thing in a while that's actively pinged me

If these are actually town reads then this list is terrible as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay does no one know how the role rules work rn

I thought dayvig was a thing in normals :/

what's up Nosf?

Also that last post by geraint is kinda sketchy
tbh I kinda thought they were a newb but I was thinking about how that would impact this thought, checked, and they have been active in normal games recently, so the idea of the lost townie who might be just taking things at face value doesn't really apply

Oh, is this what you meant?
Do not underestimate my inabiity to understand what is going on in a game. I quoted in a different post why I thought it was genuine

But like, we’ve established it was a gambit/reaction test
So it wasn’t genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

Charmander just shot up to FoS #2 for his terrible defense of Nosferatu. Arguably it makes him even scummier than Nosferatu.

ItalianoVD
callforjudgement

Gamma Emerald
BananaCucho
SJReaver

Not_Mafia
geraintm
Raya36
Frogsterking

Nosferatu

RCEnigma
sordros

WaltertheDunce10

also
VOTE: geraintm
it's not strong but the thing I called out earlier is the first thing in a while that's actively pinged me

If these are actually town reads then this list is terrible as well.

I’ll be sure to take your words into consideration, Mr. Thinks A Single Prodge Means Active Lurking