Newbie 2025 | Lilies | Game Over

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Last minute baseless speculation:

Consider a Frogster and Frederick scumteam. They play off of each other constantly, they reinforce each other; even Frogster’s criticism seems anticipated and expected.

If Shelly flips green... consider the value of a Frogster and Frederick scumteam and compare it with how their interactions and play have been.

Also, my survival or death has no bearing on this baseless speculation whether you want it to or not, to prevent Town from getting suckered into a wildly off base round of game solving nonsense. Even if scum actually use worried about this, don’t read into it. Follow my earlier play if I die tonight.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 1.08

shellyc (5):

ItalianoVD, Frogsterking, rocknil, Redados, LavarManos

Frederick A Campbell (3):

MUSHSHAGANA, MagikHorse, shellyc

MagikHorse (0):

LavarManos

Not Voting (1):

Frederick A Campbell

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-08-25 15:51:33)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With nine players alive, it takes

five

to reach majority.

[Nahdia]

shellyc has been eliminated. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Night 1 begins. You may submit any night actions via PM or inside a factional PT if applicable.

Day 2 will begin in (expired on 2020-08-27 18:30:00).

[Nahdia]

MUSHSHAGANA was killed during Night 1. She was a

Vanilla Townie

.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 2.00

Not Voting (7):

LavarManos, ItalianoVD, Redados, rocknil, MagikHorse, Frederick A Campbell, Frogsterking

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-09-03 18:44:04)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With seven players alive, it takes

four

to reach majority.

[LavarManos]

I feel honored
Sorry shellyc! I think rocknil's vote felt a little forced, so that's where I'm going to start my day. Frederick had some redeeming qualities.
VOTE: rocknil

[Redados]

Why did Fredrick not vote???? Was he afraid to hammer because he knew that ShellyC was town? Or am I overthinking it?

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

[rocknil]

Mush was onto Frogsterking and Fredrick A Campbell. And looking back I think Fredrick A Campbell was working hard to blend in. I find it more scummy than others.

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

[LavarManos]

I think he couldn't be around deadline so he wanted us to discuss more. Just my thought and he can give a better answer if I'm wrong.

[Redados]

I think he couldn't be around deadline so he wanted us to discuss more. Just my thought and he can give a better answer if I'm wrong.

He posted five hours from the deadline, so I

hope

that wasn't a factor cause that cut it real close. Honestly I'm super confused by that move if he's town because he was the alternative wagon to Shelly. He didn't even start another wagon, he just straight up didn't vote!

[LavarManos]

I won't be around at the last hour before the deadline. Unless you guys are fine for a hammer in six hours or less than six hours before deadline, I can't place the hammer.

This seems to be his explanation.
Redados, do you have a better read on Italiano now?

[Redados]

I won't be around at the last hour before the deadline. Unless you guys are fine for a hammer in six hours or less than six hours before deadline, I can't place the hammer.

This seems to be his explanation.

That makes it a little bit better but I'm still not thrilled.

Redados, do you have a better read on Italiano now?

No.

[LavarManos]

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

[LavarManos]

Assuming Italiano is town, we have that the possible scum teams are
rocknil-Fredrick
rocknil-Frogster
rocknil-Magik Horse
Fredrick-Frogster
Fredrick-Magik Horse
Frogester-Magik Horse
I have already explained why I don't think rocknil and Fredrick are aligned, so I will be looking at the remaining 5 hypothetical teams. This assumes that Italiano is town which is dangerous, but I am still believing in it right now.

[LavarManos]

Assuming Italiano is town, we have that the possible scum teams are
rocknil-Fredrick
rocknil-Frogster
rocknil-Magik Horse
Fredrick-Frogster
Fredrick-Magik Horse
Frogester-Magik Horse
I have already explained why I don't think rocknil and Fredrick are aligned, so I will be looking at the remaining 5 hypothetical teams. This assumes that Italiano is town which is dangerous, but I am still believing in it right now.

[Redados]

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

I'm a little apprehensive about being townread right now. I post in a pretty town-like manner, but I did just lead the town to a mislynch so I'm a little concerned that I'm being pocketed here.

• LavarManos

[ItalianoVD]

Okay, well sorry Shellyc. At least we know now. I think MUSH was the right kill for scum, I believe she may have been onto something.

My FoS is Frederick for now. I didn’t like the non-voting, especially because he could have placed a vote down before he left. I still think I must have missed something on his universal scumread. @Rocknil: are you going to say more today? Or are you gonna lurk again?

[ItalianoVD]

I am here. Should I hammer shelly?
I think Fredrick did not vote because he wanted to give us more time to discuss. I still think Fredrick is pretty suspicious.

Do you think his non-voting is nai then? Since you think he’s pretty suspicious?

[ItalianoVD]

Assuming Italiano is town, we have that the possible scum teams are
rocknil-Fredrick
rocknil-Frogster
rocknil-Magik Horse
Fredrick-Frogster
Fredrick-Magik Horse
Frogester-Magik Horse
I have already explained why I don't think rocknil and Fredrick are aligned, so I will be looking at the remaining 5 hypothetical teams. This assumes that Italiano is town which is dangerous, but I am still believing in it right now.

What makes you assume that?

[ItalianoVD]

For the record I don’t particularly like being townread, I guess I’m used to having to prove myself otherwise

[ItalianoVD]

What makes you think Frogsterking could be scum, because I don’t think so at all.

[Redados]

What makes you think Frogsterking could be scum, because I don’t think so at all.

Don't forget, he didn't vote in RVS /s

[ItalianoVD]

Why did Fredrick not vote???? Was he afraid to hammer because he knew that ShellyC was town? Or am I overthinking it?

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

I think we gotta wait to see what Frederick says, but not voting is questionable.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

As far as I was concerned, my vote didn't matter. The person we were going to execute was going to be shellyc and I was convinced by MUSHSHAGANA that it was not a good idea to suggest an alternative execution, which, as it happens I didn't have. Although my scumread on shellyc waned later, I still thought it was not a good idea to make that public, for I had no alternative execution.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

As for why I didn't hammer shellyc, I trusted MUSHSHAGANA to do it, as she said she would switch her vote over anytime but wanted to let others put their thoughts out.