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[Fredrick A Campbell]

By don't care I mean I don't care if I have to vote Rocknil or Lavaar, not that I don't care about the outcome of the game! I do want to win and I am town and I think either one of these is the best move.

I didn't misinterpret what you said although it was ambiguous on looking back. I'm going to give myself 24 hours to look through parts of the thread. If I find anything, I will obviously announce it. If I don't, I will continue to look.

[Frogsterking]

By don't care I mean I don't care if I have to vote Rocknil or Lavaar, not that I don't care about the outcome of the game! I do want to win and I am town and I think either one of these is the best move.

I didn't misinterpret what you said although it was ambiguous on looking back. I'm going to give myself 24 hours to look through parts of the thread. If I find anything, I will obviously announce it. If I don't, I will continue to look.

Yeah that's fine unfortunately another less likely explanation is that Redados is scum which is why Mush died and one of Lavar/Rocknil is inno.

[Frogsterking]

By don't care I mean I don't care if I have to vote Rocknil or Lavaar, not that I don't care about the outcome of the game! I do want to win and I am town and I think either one of these is the best move.

I didn't misinterpret what you said although it was ambiguous on looking back. I'm going to give myself 24 hours to look through parts of the thread. If I find anything, I will obviously announce it. If I don't, I will continue to look.

By don't care I mean I don't care if I have to vote Rocknil or Lavaar, not that I don't care about the outcome of the game! I do want to win and I am town and I think either one of these is the best move.

I didn't misinterpret what you said although it was ambiguous on looking back. I'm going to give myself 24 hours to look through parts of the thread. If I find anything, I will obviously announce it. If I don't, I will continue to look.

Yeah that's fine unfortunately another less likely explanation is that Redados is scum which is why Mush died and one of Lavar/Rocknil is inno.

Just fyi I'm curious what you have to say about that.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

By don't care I mean I don't care if I have to vote Rocknil or Lavaar, not that I don't care about the outcome of the game! I do want to win and I am town and I think either one of these is the best move.

I didn't misinterpret what you said although it was ambiguous on looking back. I'm going to give myself 24 hours to look through parts of the thread. If I find anything, I will obviously announce it. If I don't, I will continue to look.

By don't care I mean I don't care if I have to vote Rocknil or Lavaar, not that I don't care about the outcome of the game! I do want to win and I am town and I think either one of these is the best move.

I didn't misinterpret what you said although it was ambiguous on looking back. I'm going to give myself 24 hours to look through parts of the thread. If I find anything, I will obviously announce it. If I don't, I will continue to look.

Yeah that's fine unfortunately another less likely explanation is that Redados is scum which is why Mush died and one of Lavar/Rocknil is inno.

Just fyi I'm curious what you have to say about that.

While possible, I don't see anything other than what you just stated to support that theory.

[Frogsterking]

Well, hopefully that means I'm about 15 minutes ahead of the curve.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Frogsterking

Congratulations. You have made me suspicious.

[Nahdia]

Seeking replacement for MagikHorse.

[LavarManos]

Watergun missed!

I think most newbies queued up for this game because they wanted to find scum

This is fair.

your slot replaced through until the most competitive personality joined (you).

Don't you think shellyc was more competitive? Also, why do you think that is alignment indicative?

To be more specific I don't think either Frederick or Magik would have killed Mush if they were scum I think both would have killed Redados and between the newbie slots alone you're a lot more likely even though you and the other replacement seemed townie in your initial posts.

I don't follow this at all. MUSH suspected you, Fredrick, and rocknil to some extent, so why are you saying they wouldn't have incentive to kill her and instead kill Redados? This seems like quite a stretch, and you may even trying to be

intentionally

twisting the narrative. I do not know yet.

The fact you're asking for an explanation instead of accusing me of being scummy (as though you're more worried that I cheated than if I really know if you're scum or not) is another tick in the scum direction from my point of view.

I'm trying to see your thought process to see if how you arrived at this rocknil/me scumteam is a reasonable vs malicious.

I also think you were most active at the beginning of the daystart because you were the one to hammer the night action.

[ItalianoVD]

One of my fears is being wrong, so

sometimes I might vote someone even if I don't strongly believe that they are scum

. I need to work on that.

I notice a lot of players in this game do this and it still doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t think I ever will. How does this help the town?

@Frederick: I wasn’t actually scumreading you because of you’re non-vote, but I am keeping an eye on you. Let’s see what happens today.

With that said I don’t like rocknil’s Day 2 post, how he made his vote, and his activity added onto his overall posting and activity.
VOTE: rocknil

[ItalianoVD]

@Frederick: what do you think about the Mush kill?

[LavarManos]

I notice a lot of players in this game do this and it still doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t think I ever will. How does this help the town?

It tends to happen as the deadline gets closer. I didn't really scumread either one of shellyc or Fredrick, but deadline called...

[ItalianoVD]

I notice a lot of players in this game do this and it still doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t think I ever will. How does this help the town?

It tends to happen as the deadline gets closer. I didn't really scumread either one of shellyc or Fredrick, but deadline called...

In this instance it made sense, but lots of players vote for people they townread and don’t vote for people they scumread. I’m still trying to understand if there is true strategy behind that.

[Redados]

I notice a lot of players in this game do this and it still doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t think I ever will. How does this help the town?

It tends to happen as the deadline gets closer. I didn't really scumread either one of shellyc or Fredrick, but deadline called...

In this instance it made sense, but lots of players vote for people they townread and don’t vote for people they scumread. I’m still trying to understand if there is true strategy behind that.

Yeah, it made sense here because we were trying to avoid a no-lim.

[LavarManos]

Oh well that is what I generally do.
I know some players who will fight the wagon until the end if one of their townreads was being wagoned.
I'm going to try to keep looking at the interactions. I do like Italiano's tone and his denial of being townread was townie for me. I'm still townreading Redados too.
Another scumteam I do not find likely would be Fredrick and Frogsterking. I don't think that interaction earlier today looks fake.
Perhaps the scumteam is (Frogster, rocknil)? I am not sure.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 2.01

Frederick A Campbell (2):

Redados, rocknil

rocknil (2):

LavarManos,

Frogsterking

, ItalianoVD

LavarManos (1):

Frogsterking

Frogsterking (1):

Frederick A Campbell

Not Voting (1):

LavarManos

,

ItalianoVD

,

Redados

,

rocknil

, MagikHorse,

Frederick A Campbell

,

Frogsterking

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-09-03 18:44:04)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With seven players alive, it takes

four

to reach majority.

Note:

Today's opening vote count displayed an incorrect deadline earlier. It has been corrected.

[Frogsterking]

Watergun missed!

I think most newbies queued up for this game because they wanted to find scum

This is fair.

your slot replaced through until the most competitive personality joined (you).

Don't you think shellyc was more competitive? Also, why do you think that is alignment indicative?

To be more specific I don't think either Frederick or Magik would have killed Mush if they were scum I think both would have killed Redados and between the newbie slots alone you're a lot more likely even though you and the other replacement seemed townie in your initial posts.

#1

I don't follow this at all. MUSH suspected you, Fredrick, and rocknil to some extent, so why are you saying they wouldn't have incentive to kill her and instead kill Redados? This seems like quite a stretch, and you may even trying to be

intentionally

twisting the narrative. I do not know yet.

The fact you're asking for an explanation instead of accusing me of being scummy (as though you're more worried that I cheated than if I really know if you're scum or not) is another tick in the scum direction from my point of view.

I'm trying to see your thought process to see if how you arrived at this rocknil/me scumteam is a reasonable vs malicious.

I also think you were most active at the beginning of the daystart because you were the one to hammer the night action.

(added numbers and bold)

#1

Because her suspicion of so many different kinds of players could be a late game win condition for mafia who are hurting for win conditions in this setup and I think killing her n1 clears up too much for town about the gamestate. I also feel like it was a low-chance PR shot.

If I remember correctly Redados was pretty townread yesterday as well, aside from the MagikHorse slot and shelly who was lynched. Italiano also could have been a good night kill.

Basically killing Mush simplifies the game which is only good for scum if they are being townread by everyone and I don't believe that's the case here. It's possible, it just seems less likely.

I think you make good arguments and are good at seeming townie but selecting a night kill requires game sense and I don't know if you have that.

Why are you voting rocknil instead of me though and why do you think we are scum together?

#2

Do you really think I would choose to attack him, but have him completely ignore my presence?

#2

Yeah. I could see you bussing here. I mean what else would you really do? I feel like you need to play that way now in this gamestate or suffer a slow death.


Three other things I thought of is that you seem like you want to have an active voice in the town ever since you replaced in and night killing Mush is something enabling you to do that now.

It's also possible that Frederick would want to kill Mush just to get rid of the pressure or another duo apart from Rock/Lavar just decided it was the best kill. I guess I'm curious what everyone else has to say about the night kill?

[Redados]

Three other things I thought of is that you seem like you want to have an active voice in the town ever since you replaced in and night killing Mush is something enabling you to do that now.

Are you saying that wanting to have an active voice in the town is AI? He can't control what happened before he replaced in.

I guess I'm curious what everyone else has to say about the night kill?

I'm not sure I can wrap my head around reasons for night kills beyond trying to kill people who won't get limmed during the day. It gets pretty WIFOM. If I were to pick the last person to get limmed during the day, it would have been Mush. From that logic, Mush was the best night kill.

[LavarManos]

Basically killing Mush simplifies the game which is only good for scum if they are being townread by everyone and I don't believe that's the case here. It's possible, it just seems less likely.

I think you make good arguments and are good at seeming townie but selecting a night kill requires game sense and I don't know if you have that.

I am fairly townread, so by your argument, MUSH would be a great kill for me due to her variability. Then, why are you arguing that she is an unoptimal kill for me?

[Redados]

Basically killing Mush simplifies the game which is only good for scum if they are being townread by everyone and I don't believe that's the case here. It's possible, it just seems less likely.

I think you make good arguments and are good at seeming townie but selecting a night kill requires game sense and I don't know if you have that.

I am fairly townread, so by your argument, MUSH would be a great kill for me due to her variability. Then, why are you arguing that she is an unoptimal kill for me?

Frogsterking thinks I was the optimal kill.

[LavarManos]

Yeah. I could see you bussing here. I mean what else would you really do? I feel like you need to play that way now in this gamestate or suffer a slow death.

Why would I need to bus him when I am already fairly townread? That doesn't make the most sense to me.

[Frogsterking]

Yeah. I could see you bussing here. I mean what else would you really do? I feel like you need to play that way now in this gamestate or suffer a slow death.

Why would I need to bus him when I am already fairly townread? That doesn't make the most sense to me.

So you don't get hammered in the final three.

[rocknil]

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

In Day 1, I pushed hard for shellyc. I thought there was something tangible there but I was wrong. I don't blame you for scumreading me. But you are wrong. I am now going over the thread to find the scum team. I have this feeling that I've missed something.

[Frogsterking]

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

In Day 1, I pushed hard for shellyc. I thought there was something tangible there but I was wrong. I don't blame you for scumreading me. But you are wrong. I am now going over the thread to find the scum team. I have this feeling that I've missed something.

I feel that. I'm curious what you find.

[Frogsterking]

I'm really curious to hear from MagikHorse's replacement slot, I think getting an outsider's perspective on D1 will help.

There were a few things I was trying to type and I wasn't sure if I was making sense so I'm going to get some sleep and write more tomorrow. I'm planning on responding to Larvar and Redados and rereading some of D1.

[rocknil]

I'm really curious to hear from MagikHorse's replacement slot, I think getting an outsider's perspective on D1 will help.

What do you mean by "MagikHorse's replacement slot"?