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[Redados]

I'm really curious to hear from MagikHorse's replacement slot, I think getting an outsider's perspective on D1 will help.

What do you mean by "MagikHorse's replacement slot"?

Seeking replacement for MagikHorse.

[Redados]

To be more specific I don't think either Frederick or Magik would have killed Mush if they were scum I think both would have killed Redados and between the newbie slots alone you're a lot more likely even though you and the other replacement seemed townie in your initial posts.

Are you trying to get me nightkilled? If so, please stop.

[ItalianoVD]

I’ve gone back over Day 1 and I’m still not seeing the early universal scumread of Frederick. I will admit as the Day went on he appeared more nonchalant and apathetic, but I’ve seen townies play and act this way. I’m still slightly townreading Frederick.

Another scumteam I do not find likely would be Fredrick and Frogsterking. I don't think that interaction earlier today looks fake.
Perhaps the scumteam is (Frogster, rocknil)? I am not sure.

You initially scumread Frederick and you don’t now. What happened or what did he do that has made you think otherwise? Or was it something someone said?

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I guess I'm curious what everyone else has to say about the night kill?

I think Mush was killed to try and frame Frederick. I don’t know, that’s what it seems like to me. The other possibility is that Frederick did want Mush to die. I don’t see it because it seems too obvious, but I guess it’s something that wouldn’t be smart for me to overlook.

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

Are you saying you still think rocknil is scum? Just not with Frederick?

In Day 1, I pushed hard for shellyc. I thought there was something tangible there but I was wrong. I don't blame you for scumreading me. But you are wrong. I am now going over the thread to find the scum team. I have this feeling that I've missed something.

Hey, I know shelly being townie threw me off, so going back through makes sense, unless of course you’re just doing it because you know that’s what town would do.

[Nahdia]

Casey replaces MagikHorse.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

@Frederick: what do you think about the Mush kill?

I think nothing of it.

[LavarManos]

Are you trying to get me nightkilled? If so, please stop.

I don't like this post. Seems a little LAMIST.

[Redados]

Are you trying to get me nightkilled? If so, please stop.

I don't like this post. Seems a little LAMIST.

I know cryptography isn’t allowed so I am decoding it for everyone. I am breadcrumbing my alignment:

Look at the first letter of every sentence
At Me
Me Is So Town
I am town
Seriously Guys
Town I am town

[LavarManos]

Ok then
Italiano? Was Redados similarly LAMIST in 2019? Redados, I know I'm asking you a lot about this, but has your read on Italiano developed? I want to know if my townread on him is too gratuitous.

[Redados]

I have no read on Italiano but at this point I think I might cross my fingers and just hope he's town the same way I hope you are town.

[Casey]

Hi! I'm replacing in for MagikHorse!

Time to whip this game into shape.

Initial question is how do we have 12 days left in a 7-day day?

Reading now.

[Nahdia]

Initial question is how do we have 12 days left in a 7-day day?

>_> no idea what you're talking about (fixed)

[Casey]

It's hard to believe that the internet has been available in homes for over 19 years already. The dot-com bubble exploded and hatched a new internet like a phoenix.

I really hope Mush's last name is Fraudulence.

I have to run to Target now to pick up some dish scrapers bfore i can do the dishes. My GF is in a bad mood today.

NAI but I just wanted to say thank you for this expression of solidarity in your relationship.

VOTE: MUSHSHAGANA

Reason: OMGUS!!!

Uhhh can you please try to steer away from using that as a reason? While we're still in RVS (or are we?), I find that reason to always be poor and/or scum-indicative.

I like this post because it's the first one that breaks from RVS.

Good point! MUSHSHAGANA voted for me. I am town. Therefore, Mush must be scum. Therefore, I vote for Mush. Facts. Logic. No emotional reaction whatsoever on my part.

Ugh.

This post made me actually check who was alive and dead because I hoped I wouldn't have to read into this mischievous attitude.

Looks like I won't find out about MESH's middle name.

My username is Sumerian using a very basic transliteration scheme. Under the standard scheme, it's muš-šag-ana, "Something In The Heart Of Empty Space", literally "'empty space'-'inside, at the heart of'-'What?'"

You can think of it as a rough translation of the sentence "There's something out there in the void." Sumerian is agglutinative, so it makes a single word for simple phrases like that. It's not a reference to anything, it's one of a short list of "names" of my own design that I am fond of.

That is so freaking cool!

I can't use mixedCase naming conventions anymore, because Homestuck ruined them.

I take back everything I said.

Can the living players be quotable please?

I am trying to generate information from the questioning. So you think that's a problem.

Something I want to point out is how Redados is scummy to me.
He started with LAMIST (saying it's cryptography), turns the thread into the general discussion forum, then votes with the reason of OMGUS. I would like to hear more from you, because I don't like how you are playing - a different vibe from your last towngame.

I'm not going to apologize for goofing around in RVS.

Confidence. I like it.

You can make the statement that certain types of actions in RVS aren't useful, and that's certainly true. In what you quoted, I'm not saying "I get a free pass because it's RVS". I'm saying that it's NAI because it's RVS. Those are two different discussions in my opinion.

Saying that this behavior is NAI because it's RVS is the same thing as saying you shouldn't be read off of it, which is just another way of saying "gimme a pass on this behavior, it means nothing". They're one and the same.

Why do you think this is NAI anyways?

I disagree. RVS is a time where you goof off and vote randomly, and then you learn from people's reactions to those random votes. Once people start reacting, RVS is over and then the goofing off ends.

In my opinion, overanalyzing RVS actions is unnecessary because the valuable information is in the

reactions

to the RVS. I could post as the first post of the game the words, "I am scum" and that is NAI because it's RVS.

OMGUS and LAMIST are scumtells, so I won't ever get to do them outside of RVS. I did them (in a tongue-in cheek way - as I literally said "LAMIST" and "OMGUS" in my posts, thus acknowledging them) because I thought it was funny and didn't matter. I still think that they are funny and that they don't matter.

NAI = Not Alignment Indicative

A bad reaction in RVS is totally possible. I believe you believe what you say you believe though.

Sorry peeps. Weekends are pretty tough for me as I like to spend the weekend with family; hiking, camping, fishing, kayaking, etc. so most of the time I’m out the house or I’m in a poor data area. I just wanted to quickly put down my thoughts before I’m gone for most of the day.

So far what stands out to me:

Frogsterking said he’d be back after he washed the dishes. He hasn’t returned yet so he must have either had a whole lotta dishes or his girlfriend said he can’t play with his friends, for not doing those dishes. Can’t wait for him to return and tell us what happened.

MUSHSHAGANA is someone I like. So far her posting and overall vibe seems good to me. Her push onto Redados seems genuine and I can’t really question it, but after playing with Redados he did play this loose as town. I can admit however that the LAMIST and OMGUS stuff was careless, but I could actually see town!Redados play this way. Shelly knows this. Unfortunately I don’t know how he would play as scum so take that as you will.

Shelly is back to her repeat posting from last game when she was scum. And by repeat posting I mean she says exactly what the other player says, almost word for word. As I pointed out.

Redados has put himself in a pretty tough position with his play so far. For now I’m gonna semi-town read him because while I wouldn’t put it past scum!Redados to play this way, I’m not sure how likely it is.

That’s it so far. I’m okay with leaving my vote on shelly at the moment. As I said I’ll be gone. Any questions asked I’ll answer when I can. Peace.

This post seems sane.

How I think about mafia-type games (mafia, secret hitler, werewolf, etc.): I think players who play this genre develop a style over time (and with it a preference for different formats of the game and situations which occur within those games). One way I think about the style-difference is if the player is logical vs behavioral, logical being that they focus on making the highest percentage play in the situation and behavioral focusing on minutiae of what the other players are saying and attempting to find hidden indicators of the players alignment. I think logical players tend to excel in fields like law, accounting, medicine, and is linked with a personality trait from the big five called Conscientiousness. These guys excel in setups that have many mechanics and require more detailed technical knowledge of the game and the format it is being played in. I believe behavioral players are linked with a personality trait also from the big five called Openness to experience and as such often have some kind of arts background. They excel in setups such as this one without many complex mechanics and the possibility of low info lylo situations with no clears. Most players eventually develop some traits of both even if they heavily lean one way.

I think people also have different communication styles they prefer which i think about as analytical, accommodating, and assertive. Most of us will use each of these styles but have a default one we prefer. We tend to be more receptive when others talk in our default state or the one we're in at the moment.

Another trait from the big five I think about a lot while playing games these types of games is agreeable vs disagreeable, which means how likely you are to be trusting, cooperate, empathetic vs skeptical, competitive and distrusting.

I think the way you came to your reads is super cool. Not quoting it all because it's huge and this post is getting long already.

As for myself, I'd say I'm a highly-behavioral player, assertive with the compassion to be accommodating. For the last set, IDK. I call out BS and protect my townbabies like a momma bear. Is that agreeable or disagreeable?

Can you guess my career too?

Also I agree with the "use all the time allotted" mindset, since mafia find it much more difficult to keep up a facade. That being said I acknowledge my hubris causes me to disobey this mindset in a tic.

Quiet scum is scum we can't catch.

Smack those hornet nests. They'll show themselves to be hornets eventually.

Mostly feeling good about Frog and Red.

Want more posts from different people about game-related things instead of theory.

Yes, I was scum that game. However I have rolled town in this game, and I have actually made an effort to not rephrase / repeat what others have said.

I started off by asking a few questions to generate info during RVS (Why Frogster didn't vote during RVS, why discussion became general)
I then pushed Redados and called him scummy twice. I was also being aggressive towards Redados. I also made reads on several players.

Call it anxiety or paranoia, but I’m not gonna feel comfortable with you until you are flipped and we know what your true alignment is.

I haven't been repeat posting. They thought Mush's push was geninue, but questions my push? This is contradictory. Still, I don't know how much of that is AI.

I didn’t question your push. I’m not even really uneasy about you because of your push. It’s really because of our recent history. And can you really deny the similarities of 23 and 34 and say that I shouldn’t be wary of it.

You're on notice.

You said all this last game. I don’t think our back and forth is helping the town here.

It bugs me when people say "the town." It sounds so self-exclusionary.

Fredrick A Campbell replaces Tatsuya Kaname.

Hey again.

I don't see much to comment on for now. If anyone would like my comment on anything, feel free to make a post on the matter.

This is the most phoned-in intro ever. Like it was phoned in on an actual phone.

Props to Shelly for calling this out.

Who do you think is scummiest now, or are you not having reads yet?

I think you have behaved the scummiest of all the players who have posted. However, I don't really think that is as relevant as whom I think is most likely to be scum.

The scummiest person is the person calling you out. Brilliant.

What is the reason you regard me as scummy?

You seemed more concerned about being right than winning the game.

How are these mutually exclusive?

Ugh. Reading the rest of page 6 just makes me mad y'all dunked the towniest voice in this entire game. I'm resonating with every one of her posts.

Moving on.

[Casey]

However, I don't think it necessarily means she is a mafioso, just an egotistical person. shellyc, describing you as egotistical is not meant as an insult, but just a description.

Upon further reconsideration of shellyc's personality reflected by her posts, I think she thought I was looking for a fight. Really makes her actions extremely non-alignment indicative.

Wait what?

[Casey]

Eh okay. It jives.

[Casey]

I thought and think that the behaviour is scummy, but probably not-alignment indicative.

How do you define "scummy" if not as "indicative of scum"?

[Frogsterking]

Hi! I'm replacing in for MagikHorse!

Time to whip this game into shape.

Initial question is how do we have 12 days left in a 7-day day?

Reading now.

Welcome to the town Casey!

[Casey]

I feel like the combination of his username and sales background could make Italiano seem scummy subconsciously to others sometimes

As someone scumreading Italiano, I have to pause and consider if these are implicit biases of mine.

I don't think they are.

[Casey]

Hi! I'm replacing in for MagikHorse!

Time to whip this game into shape.

Initial question is how do we have 12 days left in a 7-day day?

Reading now.

That was an unusually fast townread.
Welcome to the town Casey!

[Casey]

Now with actually typing in the right area:

Hi! I'm replacing in for MagikHorse!

Time to whip this game into shape.

Initial question is how do we have 12 days left in a 7-day day?

Reading now.

That was an unusually fast townread.
Welcome to the town Casey!

[Casey]

What the heck

[Casey]

Hi! I'm replacing in for MagikHorse!

Time to whip this game into shape.

Initial question is how do we have 12 days left in a 7-day day?

Reading now.

Welcome to the town Casey!

That was an unusually fast townread.

[Casey]

Yeah. (ignoring last game) this game Shelly has been pretty active and pushing. I don't necessarily agree with her pushes because she reaallly does not like being scumread. I am still scumreading her.

(using last game) I don't agree with Shelly's constant pushing because she was doing that last game; she kept yelling at MiniMegabyte for "scumslipping" (Mini was town). I think it's not helpful to latch onto small things and use them to justify a scumread. Sometimes you have a feeling you can't justify, but I think it's disingenuous to pull weak justification for your scumread. In retrospect, I may have done that with my initial scumread of Shelly, so I'm revising my scumread from a justified one to a gut one.

(ignoring last game) ItalianoVD has not been super active but he's posted enough. He's given reads and had conversations with people. I don't really have a handle on his alignment yet.

(using last game) something someone else said about how Italiano's playstyle might make him look scummier than he is resonates with me. I spent a lot of last game oscillating back and forth whether Italiano was scum or town and my impression is that he could hide it well enough if he were scum. It makes me scared to townread him or scumread him, although I'm townreading him now. I do feel like he was more active and off-the-cuff last game, but I haven't gone back and really ISOd and compared, which I will do at some point.

Hmm..

I hope there's more than just a "Hmm" to this at this point. Otherwise you just assigned busywork with the sole intention of killing a conversation.

[Casey]

That was off the cuff so I'm curious to hear your reaction.

Yo, way to hold him to it. Thumbs up.

[Casey]

I think I'm getting strong town vibe from MUSHSHAGANA.

UNVOTE: MUSHSHAGANA

I literally never remember seeing your name before this.

[Casey]

How do you have only 10 posts so far? I replaced in 2 hours ago and my ISO is already larger than yours.