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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:40 pm

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In post 1323, shellyc wrote:
In post 1321, the worst wrote:I mean I'm here to have a good time and play to my wincon. I don't really enjoy playing with people who are aggressive and don't make an effort to read what I'm saying so.. ┐(´д`)┌
I did read your posting. I looked through your ISO thrice.
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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:44 pm

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like again JOYED strikes me as a complete newbie and like I just don't agree that they see a vector to really sloppily bus their partner there and then rather than explaining their read just move their vote and go to bed? I just think that's a bizarre conclusion to come to after following that exchange

The whole way through I was like "oh they're reversing their townread for no reason. they're about to vote Andres aren't they. ok get a read out of the-- oh..nope they voted Andres. ok get their Andres rea-- nope they're going to bed."

am I bad? I think this is a much stronger scum!JOYED tell than town!Andres indicator
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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:46 pm

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In post 1326, the worst wrote:like again JOYED strikes me as a complete newbie and like I just don't agree that they see a vector to really sloppily bus their partner there and then rather than explaining their read just move their vote and go to bed? I just think that's a bizarre conclusion to come to after following that exchange

The whole way through I was like "oh they're reversing their townread for no reason. they're about to vote Andres aren't they. ok get a read out of the-- oh..nope they voted Andres. ok get their Andres rea-- nope they're going to bed."

am I bad? I think this is a much stronger scum!JOYED tell than town!Andres indicator
After reading the PlusJoy thing once again, I agree their sudden reversal seems out of place. I am not sure this is AI though...
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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:47 pm

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which I suppose is what you're saying but then rather than vote your s/s suspects you ........ vote the person who baited them into voting each other, who would by exclusion be town, because you want to let some steam off? like why the fuck did you even prompt this dialogue and what compelled you to be inflammatory and headbutt me for "contradicting myself" when you admittedly can't understand my posts? and then rather than elaborating on what you're seeing or actually try to sort me, try to shut down the point I'm making because you have some obscure background in a community where scum lolbus for stupid reasons?

like can you have a glass of water, look at yourself in the mirror, come back and try again?
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:48 pm

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In post 1327, shellyc wrote:After reading the PlusJoy thing once again, I agree their sudden reversal seems out of place. I am not sure this is AI though...
not AI? sick love it. talk me through how town!JOYED is prompted for a read in that engagement and comes to the conclusion that he would rather vote his townread and posture scum for after the flip rather than talk about his read.

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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:49 pm

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In post 1328, the worst wrote:like can you have a glass of water, look at yourself in the mirror, come back and try again?
Okay. I'll be right back.
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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:50 pm

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:lol: thank you
I am being reciprocally inflammatory btw, I don't want to make this a hostile engagement.
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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:51 pm

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In post 1329, the worst wrote:not AI? sick love it. talk me through how town!JOYED is prompted for a read in that engagement and comes to the conclusion that he would rather vote his townread and posture scum for after the flip rather than talk about his read.
Have returned. town!PlusJoy reads Andres as scum off the description you gave them and logically thinks because andres is bad scum their scumminess is AI towards scum. Makes sense?
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:57 pm

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sure; being a newbie who was originally wrong than had a big scary senior player with a bad attitude correcting him & asking him to talk through the read: where is an effort to actually check the read? given this is a townread he's developed all game: where is any resistance whatsoever to the idea that Andres might be scum? where is the sparkle of a genuine thought process which made some flawed assumptions and is now realising those assumptions are flawed and feels compelled to actually work through them?

if it's a genuine thought, JOYED hasn't shared his work with the class which is pretty troublesome. he's been defending Andres all game which is another thing I think is weakly less likely to come from scumbuddies. I haven't scumcased Andres, I've made some vague comments about his meta/skill as a player.

JOYED isn't inclined to check his legitimate thoughts against my experience with or authority on Andres. If he is having contrary thoughts that Andres is scum, he isn't explaining himself. There isn't a ~trajectory~ which you'd expect in an actual train of thought on the elim; he uses the conversation to shift his vote onto an L-1 wagon, and posture players for pressure after an Andres flip.
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:58 pm

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Did you finish reading the game yet worst? I’m about to turn in for the night.
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:59 pm

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to boot: my alleged experience or authority. we were reading Andres exactly backwards; there's no discussion of pressure back against me. when people change their minds it's rarely a *SNAP* thing. there's often a kind of

1) indignance that u r correct
2) resistance to new ideas
3) epiphany that your reasoning is flawed
4) acceptance

or some variation; the lack of any reconsideration and the way he just goes "ah lol let's kill Andres" doesn't make me think his thought process is real
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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:00 pm

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In post 1334, Bell wrote:Did you finish reading the game yet worst? I’m about to turn in for the night.
I haven't started :( I got off work just over an hour ago and *waves hands* this happened
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:02 pm

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Don’t get distracted, it would be nice to see the game from a different POV. Before we head into possible melo.
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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:02 pm

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I wonder if him ignoring my question about Bell is AI.

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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:09 pm

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In post 1337, Bell wrote:Don’t get distracted, it would be nice to see the game from a different POV. Before we head into possible melo.
TMI? Assuming that we actually get into MeLo?
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:10 pm

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The key word is possible.
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:10 pm

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the worst who do you think is partnered with PlusJoy, since you now SR them
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:11 pm

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In post 1333, the worst wrote:if it's a genuine thought, JOYED hasn't shared his work with the class which is pretty troublesome. he's been defending Andres all game which is another thing I think is weakly less likely to come from scumbuddies. I haven't scumcased Andres, I've made some vague comments about his meta/skill as a player.
Maybe the comments have influenced PlusJoy's read on Andres. Just speculation at this point.
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:13 pm

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I think linking to finished games is cool but linking to currently playing games might be a little risqué.
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:15 pm

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In post 1343, Bell wrote:I think linking to finished games is cool but linking to currently playing games might be a little risqué.
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Is this IIoA against btw
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:16 pm

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EBWOP I meant IIoA again
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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:18 pm

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This is NAI conversation(sort of)
It’s against the rules to discuss ongoing games, so linking to ongoing games is just a portal to potential problems especially in newbie games where they might use those links and then comment on ongoing games accidentally.
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:20 pm

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In post 1346, Bell wrote:This is NAI conversation(sort of)
It’s against the rules to discuss ongoing games, so linking to ongoing games is just a portal to potential problems especially in newbie games where they might use those links and then comment on ongoing games accidentally.
If you are aware of this mistake I'm sure you will not make it.
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:22 pm

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IIOA means that you’re bringing up easily obtainable information but not contextualizing or providing an opinion/analysis on it.
You could consider what I just brought up to be “fluff” or unrelated to the game at hand.

For example if I I said “shellyc agrees a lot” and we’re in a world where insinuation forsn’t Exist or there isn’t some purpose to me being ambiguous and said nothing else that would be IIoA because I gave no analysis on why shellyc agrees a lot of not and did not decide whether it was alignment indicative.

Getting to know players is sort of important for both alignments though.
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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:24 pm

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I’m not the only person that exists and just because i’m aware doesn’t mean everyone else is aware.
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