Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

[Bell]

last thing to note a finished game is considered finished when a faction has won the game.

Anyway, sorry for the derail.
I’ve been reading the interactions between worst, you and joy but I didn’t want to disrupt them.

[the worst]

the worst who do you think is partnered with PlusJoy, since you now SR them

my grumpy brain says you but at some level i realise that you probably don't charge out of the gate to save a scumbuddy who isn't in trouble.

i don't think bell is wolfy; someone i haven't engaged with i'd say. like vca intuition says probably bulge but again, still haven't read up.

i'll try and clear a couple more things irl then Embark on my Reading Adventure

[shellyc]

last thing to note a finished game is considered finished when a faction has won the game.

I looked this up. Isn't completed the term when a faction has won?

[Bell]

UNVOTE:
Just spent an hour going over stuff.
I need to rethink Shelly and joy as town reads.

[shellyc]

I need to rethink Shelly and joy as town reads.

Interesting. What makes you say this?

[Bell]

You lied to me on August 25th.

[shellyc]

You lied to me on August 25th.

I have not.

[Bell]

I just have no idea why you would over something fairly inconsequential.
Perhaps you misunderstood me. We’re not going to discuss this lie/misunderstanding so there’s not much point for me to bring this up further.

[shellyc]

Okay I find where I did. Newbie 2025 was my first towngame. I didn't die in it yet and I didn't want to expose my alignment

[Bell]

[shellyc]

I just have no idea why you would over something fairly inconsequential.

Consequence: I would expose my alignment in that game.

[Bell]

It’s 3 am. I’m going to sleep.

[the worst]

Hey all the newbies! If you have any acronym/theory:general mafia questions please feel free to ask me whenever- i will answer these truthfully and it should not be factored in to your read on my slot.

i'd probably reflexively vote this to for being self-conscious just to kill rvs in the face

Not sure if there's anything to read into the SEs both voting other SEs... I'm going to go with probably not. Maybe it's a friendly poke between people that already know each other? Maybe they want to avoid pressuring the new players? Maybe I'm overthinking this? Spoilers: It's almost definitely the last one.

(someone shush me if I get too rambly - I usually play the equivalent of what I think this site calls Marathon games, so my posts are probably going to be more stream-of-consciousness waffles... Hopefully I won't burn out too quickly. If I'm going against some unwritten rules here I can *try* to organise myself into longer and more infrequent posts but I'm not making any promises.)

i once subscribed to the idea that scum SEs were more likely to vote other SEs to avoid being caught on an awkward wagon against an elim-baity newbie right out of the gate.
i stopped caring about that theory because i stopped caring about most "holistic tells" but whatever the overthinking here made me smile

I have a 14/15 hour work day today so I’m not super around and as a new game this one was lowest on my priorities. Noones done anything that’s pinged me yet tho

We are missing four people! People were also quite slow to confirm, so I'm low-key expecting prods on Friday and replacements over the weekend.

Our other se is on vla

Nothing too weird has happened yet. We could all wagon ns....

I do think this eagerness more likely comes from town than scum though

this is a good rvs break which *should* be within both of these players' scumrange but is a free minor townping. yes i know bella is my slot. don't @ me.

Clown all liars

ohhhhh i just worked out what clown is that's cute ok

[the worst]

people
very unambiguously
don't discuss ongoing games.

[the worst]

last thing to note a finished game is considered finished when a faction has won the game.

I looked this up. Isn't completed the term when a faction has won?

that's the "correct" terminology yeah

you are "finished in a game" when you are dead with no way to influence the game
a game is "completed" when no further wincons can be lost/won

do not discuss uncompleted games regardless of what information is public pls


i'm gonna resume rereading, just saw that in pedits.

[the worst]

[spoilers=]

AFK tracker

VOTES

Bellaphant - not science
notscience - the bulge
Clarity - Andrevmb
WaltertheDunce - clarity
Andrevmb - me

HAVE NOT VOTED YET:

happiJS
jankofan
the bulge

VOTE: happiJS

Probability estimations:

mafia + roles are most likely

happiJS
jankofan
the bulge

oh there is a second page already

Hi Ouroel, a couple things for you.

1) Please get an avatar, it makes it much easier to remember who someone is (the visual stimulus)

2) Please don't openly discuss in thread who you think PRs are. If you're town its giving scum more info and it makes sense as scum trying to garner reactions to get more info.

Anyways, why do you think all the people who haven't voted yet are scum? That seems like a stretch.

Is it typically this difficult for anything to happen in a Newbie game? I guess so.

Anyway, our best course of action is probably to vote whoever has the least amount of posts until we get enough content to really judge players. So, who has yet to post here?

VOTE: jankofan

VOTE: happiJS

Putting aside the PR-hunting elements, what do you gain from voting someone who isn't here? The mod's stated that they're being replaced, so it's not like they're actively lurking or anything. It's better to put your vote somewhere where it'll actually make an impact.

VOTE: Ouroel

Is it typically this difficult for anything to happen in a Newbie game? I guess so.

Anyway, our best course of action is probably to vote whoever has the least amount of posts until we get enough content to really judge players. So, who has yet to post here?

Well, a few players still aren't here. Content exponentially increases the more players we have. There's still plenty we can get started with now though.
(also you can use see who's missing from the activity overview in the bottom right, just below the page counter)

VOTE: jankofan

Interrupt Edit: See above, but now I lose my wagon whatever, I'm staying on anyway.

[/spoiler]

@Andres

pls check back in

what like.. went through your head when you made your posts in the middle of this, if u remember?
it's like you're trying to engineer dramatic irony
you're here like "we really need interesting things to happen." while an elephant balancing on a rubber ball is floating past in the background

like did you not find ouroel's posting noteworthy at all

[the worst]

AFK tracker

VOTES

Bellaphant - not science
notscience - the bulge
Clarity - Andrevmb
WaltertheDunce - clarity
Andrevmb - me

HAVE NOT VOTED YET:

happiJS
jankofan
the bulge

VOTE: happiJS

Probability estimations:

mafia + roles are most likely

happiJS
jankofan
the bulge

oh there is a second page already

Hi Ouroel, a couple things for you.

1) Please get an avatar, it makes it much easier to remember who someone is (the visual stimulus)

2) Please don't openly discuss in thread who you think PRs are. If you're town its giving scum more info and it makes sense as scum trying to garner reactions to get more info.

Anyways, why do you think all the people who haven't voted yet are scum? That seems like a stretch.

Is it typically this difficult for anything to happen in a Newbie game? I guess so.

Anyway, our best course of action is probably to vote whoever has the least amount of posts until we get enough content to really judge players. So, who has yet to post here?

VOTE: jankofan

VOTE: happiJS

Putting aside the PR-hunting elements, what do you gain from voting someone who isn't here? The mod's stated that they're being replaced, so it's not like they're actively lurking or anything. It's better to put your vote somewhere where it'll actually make an impact.

VOTE: Ouroel

Is it typically this difficult for anything to happen in a Newbie game? I guess so.

Anyway, our best course of action is probably to vote whoever has the least amount of posts until we get enough content to really judge players. So, who has yet to post here?

Well, a few players still aren't here. Content exponentially increases the more players we have. There's still plenty we can get started with now though.
(also you can use see who's missing from the activity overview in the bottom right, just below the page counter)

VOTE: jankofan

Interrupt Edit: See above, but now I lose my wagon whatever, I'm staying on anyway.

aww bbcode broke. at least it's illustrative now ):

[the worst]

Yeah but for a game with so many experienced people it’s sure taking a minute to take off

i'm actually throwing NS another asinine town point tbqh
he had the first actually-stated-read of the game and has been pushing to progress/generate content despite not a lot going on and (i suspect) not having like a tonne of confidence in how to force the game into the next gear
i am really upset that bell replaced clarity bc they're both towny

oururoueoaeal reads happy to be here but i lose a few more hairs every time i read one of his posts. i agree with iv's assessment that the trolling isn't scummy but i'm kinda confused by the fact nobody is pushing him for it.

Serious VOTE: innocentvillager

oh dear this isn't good.

I don’t think scum-our would come out of the gate like he is was more what I’m going for IV

I’m probably going to end up tuning him out if he keeps up like this though

Clarity wagon is dumb imo

i am liking the fact this is a thought/read he is having but that he doesn't feel the need to advance it into a vote/artificial push
it's just, like, yes it's objectively dumb. no it is not really a scum motivated wagon and not likely something anyone is going to take seriously

[the worst]

Nash, what caused this vote?

Townpings from excited!IV

Townpings from Nash pointing out that "excited!IV" SHOULD give you townpings!

This looks to me like IV rewarding someone just for townreading them, which I find a bit scummy in this instance given that it was completely NAI and scum only want towncred.

with stupid max. townie games, a townread indicates scum assuming a new/other meta/metagame player. Esp this early with 0 concrete data, only personalities. Clarity's probably too good to be true.
VOTE: Clarity
Also, good to see people finally not being AFK. Too bad I can't do the good ol' D1 fake jester cause of daystart D:

VOTE: Clarity I can get behind this

The townreads on Clarity were formed from the same premises, so joining the Clarity wagon over another is a progression that does not compute.

this post isn't alignment indicative but it's good.
the way nash progresses from here is alignment indicative. brb

[the worst]

2 edgy 5 me

this is how i feel reading all of ouroboros' posts.

[the worst]

The townreads on Clarity were formed from the same premises, so joining the Clarity wagon over another is a progression that does not compute.

Mathematically, there is absolutely no reason to join a wagon over another, on D1, assuming full fakes. People can alter their posting frequencies, their tones, etc. Maf can take into account whatever they want. Due to low power role percentage, it becomes a cyclical meta game of rock-paper-scissors of people trying to metagame each other out.

But clarity's our only lead for now, and it's nice to see her talk.

I think spidey is town

I have absolutely no idea what to think of Nash. He follows almost perfect progression while simultaneously not being an SE. Working from the assumption that Nash is an experienced player, I am inclined to think that either he is mafia, or mafia will immediately put a nice bullet in his head the next night. He's way too good at the game. He actually plays it, which is more than can be said for most people.

Get a nice doctor for him, or jail him, or whatever. Keep him safe.

i think he believes this and think it is Good and Smart that he is choosing to explore the nuances of his brain tubes rather than just calling nash town and exiting the exchange

[the worst]

disagree with the spidey townreads

he’s pretty nai

In fact the fact that his posting kinda makes sense is scummy

this is good.
you fucks actually eliminated innocentvillager. did you read his name? did you read his POSTS? how did you do thiiissssss

[the worst]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: iv

meow

I told myself when i was catching up that I would trust nash's initial read on iv and then he flipped on him. i like Nash's post explaining the flip and it made me look at the slot closer

hold up nvm i don't think this is a real read at all

[the worst]

I don’t feel like anything bulge has posted so far has been anything but safe stances

yeah.

VOTE: The Bulge

unexpectedly good vote
idrc about the rest of his posting this page (sorry)

Man the more I think about it, the more likely Clarity is to be mafia

VOTE: Clarity

Like there are all these people actually playing the game, then there is Clarity who did absolutely nothing

this reads like an Actual Thought

I esp. like IV/Nash/Walter. Their reads are nice and shows a level of information expected from town. Like they don't have weird insider information or anything like that.

i actually like the way he's reached the iv/walter reads x:
i think nash's reads are actually fairly slimy

I feel like BP is coasting and I think that's probably town indicative because of scum BoP

how did we
eliminate
innocentvillager
and not nash
sssssiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhh

@iv, I'm still not sure what you want? Do you disagree? Nash shared his thoughts in a way that progressed the game, which I think is town.

I just don’t think this stuff is any less likely to come from scum Nash, felt weird to townread that post just because it made sense

I care about stuff that’s AI not just stuff I can follow and makes sense to me

ehh maybe we’re just different

nash content advances the game yes but it advances it very slowly and very linearly and i don't think there's an indication that he's meaningfully reevaluating his advancements
iv scum? maybe
reasons for scumreading iv? deeply dubious
partner-hunting unflipped scumreads (???) rather than sorting the game? directly easily fakeable as scum. it's literally free content.

[the worst]

wifomish

this post isn't ick but it's a little bit Lukewarm and definitely Underwhelming

IV: leaning scum
NS: leaning town
Bulge: leaning scum
Clarity: neutral
Nash: leaning scum
Walter: leaning scum
AndresVmb: leaning scum
Bellaphant: leaning scum

i'm not going to comment on more of this dude's posts unless my alignment read changes.

Ouroel is town because I don't think scum would be as... spewy as he is?

VOTE: Clarity

this isn't from someone who is scum with clarity fwiw