Newbie 2023 - Hedgehogs - Day 3

shellyc · Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:24 am

I'm going to post this first

Is #927 trying to help scum PR hunt or what. Why in the world would town be interested in PR hunting?
SRs NS and andre early on and puts bulge as town PR? WHAT WHY WOULD YOU LIST WHO IS TOWN PR
#1022 is NS very scum me a bit scum and the rest of the post dishes out TRs... Giving that many townpasses is scummy to me imo
#1026 puts Bella (currently the worst) as null (Hesitant to wagon, a little scummy)
#1035 switches to Bella, was nearly a hammer and placed them at E-1. The thought process was a bit illogical for my liking

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:25 am

In post 1399, the worst wrote:
In post 1395, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 1391, shellyc wrote:
In post 1387, PlusJOYED wrote:Interesting.
UNVOTE: Andres
Actually, I still townread Andres and scumread you, I just didn't want to be direct. I just wanted to see your reaction when I put you in a situation where I would go after you next if Andres flipped town and died, and so you want to get rid of me the next day.
What?! After me and the worst read you as scum for the vote, you decide to unvote. This sounds like scum trying to rectify
No, I wanted to do something like that to gauge the replacements reaction to something scummy, called a slayers gambit. Though it was a bit risky to do, and I can see why you'd wanna elim me. On the bright side, once I flip town we'll have a mafia pretty soundly proven
VOTE: the worst
if anyone wants me to baby step through why this is fake i'm down but i think we have a red flip today

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Sure, you can keep digging. May as well. But once you flip red my intentions will be made clear. Or alternatively, I flip green today and we have a confirmed maf elim during Elo

shellyc · Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:25 am

From the above PlusJoy's slot leans scum. Haven't finished reading the next half though

Semi placeholder vote VOTE: PlusJoy

shellyc · Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:27 am

Hope not much goes on and I'll continue reading

By the way PlusJoy-the worst is TvS to me. Literally if PlusJoy flips green today (which doesn't seem plausible) we should elim the worst

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:27 am

In post 1402, shellyc wrote:From the above PlusJoy's slot leans scum. Haven't finished reading the next half though

Semi placeholder vote VOTE: PlusJoy

Sure, just make sure you elim the worst tomorrow.

shellyc · Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:37 am

PlusJoy ISO analysis part 2. Sorry my reading's been very slow

#1057-#1065 sounds like IIoA to me and they contradicted.
SRs Bella for defensive and agrees with me which is NAI
Thinks bella is scum again because they haven't claimed
#1084 townpoints for being consistent with NS / bellaworst push
#1093 sheeps again
#1103 says my posts are geniune town and TRs Bell / Andres for sussing PlusJoy opening
RED FLAG #1093 and #1107 literally respond to the same thing differently which is weird
#1109 sounds like trying to spread paranoia (but seems like the emotion is on spot there) idk really whether this is panicking town or scum trying to spread paranoia
#1150 randomly self votes to bait out last scum. Now self voting is still a scumtell to me but imo the execution could feasibly come from town
Scum are self aware and they wouldn't suddenly randomly hammer you plusjoy! Your self vote is useless
wtf is #1169? This is an indication of being self aware

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:38 am

@the worst I might chat with you postgame on why you decided to dig so hard on me knowing I flip town. If I was mafia in bella slot, I don't think it'd be a very good idea to push me this hard when you know I'm town, since you'll just get elimed the next day. How do you plan on reacting when I do flip town day 3?

shellyc · Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:39 am

In post 1406, PlusJOYED wrote:@the worst I might chat with you postgame on why you decided to dig so hard on me knowing I flip town. If I was mafia in bella slot, I don't think it'd be a very good idea to push me this hard when you know I'm town, since you'll just get elimed the next day. How do you plan on reacting when I do flip town day 3?

So you are willing to be limmed?

By the way 14 hours left and deadline is coming

shellyc · Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:40 am

PlusJoy are you just going to disregard the ISO analysis I have done?

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:40 am

In post 1403, shellyc wrote:Hope not much goes on and I'll continue reading

By the way PlusJoy-the worst is TvS to me. Literally if PlusJoy flips green today (which doesn't seem plausible) we should elim the worst

agree

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:43 am

In post 1408, shellyc wrote:PlusJoy are you just going to disregard the ISO analysis I have done?

yeah, I don't care much at how scum or town I look really now that I've trapped a scum. I mean I've townread you and you seem to be just decieved by maf the worst. It's fine though, just make sure you tunnel the worst if I get elimed tomorrow and all will be well

ISO · Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:46 am

In post 1406, PlusJOYED wrote:@the worst I might chat with you postgame on why you decided to dig so hard on me knowing I flip town. If I was mafia in bella slot, I don't think it'd be a very good idea to push me this hard when you know I'm town, since you'll just get elimed the next day. How do you plan on reacting when I do flip town day 3?

i don't need to react

i'll be nightkilled after you flip red

shellyc · Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:48 am

#1190 IIoA again
#1201 TR andre (only thing they say in their post)
#1241 votes NS again
#1251 explains SR on NS for leading IV wagon which was "obvtown" IMO the IV elim wasn't a good one we have so many other good choices
Keeps strong TR bell weak TR me
#1252 Andres is VT? WHAT are you doing helping maf find PRs is this TMI?
#1269 repeats TR Bell Slight TR me and TR Andres
Apparently the TR on andres is because "too scummy to be scum" idk if this logic stands though
Then changes mind because the worst says Andres is bad at being scum... sounds like a very fast pivot. I wouldnt suddenly revoke a strong TR
Votes andres then unvotes them
says they never SR andres but imo those SRing posts were very genuine

Will make conclusion

ISO · Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:50 am

In post 1397, shellyc wrote:That's E-1 by the way if I recall correctly.

I no longer scumread the worst. Those posts are solid gold town mindset.
VOTE: Unvote

In post 1403, shellyc wrote:Hope not much goes on and I'll continue reading

By the way PlusJoy-the worst is TvS to me. Literally if PlusJoy flips green today (which doesn't seem plausible) we should elim the worst

you're literally the only factor in this game which makes me apprehensive about eliminating JOYED
like ftr i'm just reminding myself that nash was Intensely wolfy and JOYED's posts don't make sense from a solving mindset and he's reacted to being pushed by hedging a read on me and then posturing (again)

i guess i sincerely don't think JOYED is town so this isn't really important

shellyc · Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:51 am

In conclusion a majority of their posts seems illogical and from a scum perspective especially the PR identifying things, the vote and unvote of andres and you seem very self aware

shellyc · Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:52 am

In post 1413, the worst wrote:you're literally the only factor in this game which makes me apprehensive about eliminating JOYED
like ftr i'm just reminding myself that nash was Intensely wolfy and JOYED's posts don't make sense from a solving mindset and he's reacted to being pushed by hedging a read on me and then posturing (again)

i guess i sincerely don't think JOYED is town so this isn't really important

After reading their ISO they look bad. PlusJoy will almost certainly flip scum here

shellyc · Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:52 am

In post 1410, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 1408, shellyc wrote:PlusJoy are you just going to disregard the ISO analysis I have done?
yeah, I don't care much at how scum or town I look really now that I've trapped a scum. I mean I've townread you and you seem to be just decieved by maf the worst. It's fine though, just make sure you tunnel the worst if I get elimed tomorrow and all will be well

We'll see you flip red. I don't think I have been manipulated. They literally spent pages bickering at me

ISO · Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:56 am

I don't think we're necessarily doomed off the iv elim but I doooooo kinda think if I'm wrong on this slot the solve is probably something ungodly like {Nash,you} and I'm probably just not ever going to get it correct.

which is to say I think and veeery strongly hope that I was right on Nash

I felt Powerful reading him during catchup anyway I do think the way he gravitated around the gamestate was pretty substantially more likely to come from scum

pedit:

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:04 am

Seriously Shelly, since you townread me before and now you're scum reading me with the worst it's fine, but if I die and flip green today, when tomorrow comes, the worst will try to flail to avoid getting elimed as hard as they can. You've been pretty agreeable and I'm worried their flailing will convince you to elim another townie.

Also, if it's any consolidation, I actually TR NS to a lesser degree a while back. I wanted my threat of only voting NS during ELo to be a reason for scum not to NK me and then the scum would vote with me against NS to win but I'd change it immediately against the first scum who voted with me to find the real scum.

At the end of the day, I like gambiting a lot and am willing to take big risks to advance my teams objective because I find it to be fun. I hope town won't be mad at me too much when I flip VT

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:10 am

Also, since I think I'm dead, I may as well try to find the worst's partner. I'm leaning on Bulge rn but could be wrong. Going to look at their posts in ISO during my lunchbreak if I'm not dead by then lol.

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:14 am

Man, I can't wait to see what day 3 will be like as a ghost. Probably pretty crazy

shellyc · Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:16 am

In post 1418, PlusJOYED wrote:At the end of the day, I like gambiting a lot and am willing to take big risks to advance my teams objective because I find it to be fun. I hope town won't be mad at me too much when I flip VT

Gambits aren't widely used for a reason.

shellyc · Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:16 am

A huge portion of your ISO is SRing NS. seems like you're trying to save yourself which isn't that possible

PlusJOYED · Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:18 am

In post 1400, shellyc wrote:I'm going to post this first

Is #927 trying to help scum PR hunt or what. Why in the world would town be interested in PR hunting?
SRs NS and andre early on and puts bulge as town PR? WHAT WHY WOULD YOU LIST WHO IS TOWN PR
#1022 is NS very scum me a bit scum and the rest of the post dishes out TRs... Giving that many townpasses is scummy to me imo
#1026 puts Bella (currently the worst) as null (Hesitant to wagon, a little scummy)
#1035 switches to Bella, was nearly a hammer and placed them at E-1. The thought process was a bit illogical for my liking

why would I speculate on PR openly as scum when I can do that during the night phase safely. That was a genuine miatake as town on my part that andres got right; my opening as a whole was very scummy.

shellyc · Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:21 am

In post 1423, PlusJOYED wrote:why would I speculate on PR openly as scum when I can do that during the night phase safely. That was a genuine miatake as town on my part that andres got right; my opening as a whole was very scummy.

Too scummy to be scum? That's your case now

I don't believe in "too scummy to be scum", speculating about PRs just isn't a townie mindset