FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Archer]

Hm. I don't think Foreigner should reveal their info yet for reasons that are pretty obvious. However, they should share it at some point maybe D2/D3 just to help answer mechanical questions. I don't really see why they claim to have additional information as scum because there's literally no need to reveal this, it could put them in an undesirable 1v1 situation, and it also sorta puts pressure on them(even more).
Also, 170 looks like even more busywork. Like I agree that Rider's entrance was somewhat lacking, but that just reads to me like scum asking a safe question to an AFK slot. There's not really any need to do it, and I feel like that question is more necessary when Rider is actually shown to be active.
I need to find some legit townreads for later. Maybe Foreigner tbh? Mostly skimmed over the argument so we'll see.

[Servant Archer]

I was alluding to the idea that foreigners might be different from the rest of us and that maybe him/her sticking out isn’t that odd after all.

Wait what? That's interesting...

[Servant Lancer]

You're still arguing against this built-up townread of Avenger that doesn't actually exist. I like his play. I didn't like Berserker's. I haven't cased either beyond liking Avenger's response to my vote. Their individual reads don't mean much at this point because the game's just getting started and I need more context. I stated as much before we even got into this.

[Servant Alter Ego]

Also, 170 looks like even more busywork. Like I agree that Rider's entrance was somewhat lacking, but that just reads to me like scum asking a safe question to an AFK slot. There's not really any need to do it, and I feel like that question is more necessary when Rider is actually shown to be active.

~Reasons~. Though they may be completely fruitless, I feel compelled to pursue them.

[Servant Assassin]

You're still arguing against this built-up townread of Avenger that doesn't actually exist. I like his play. I didn't like Berserker's. I haven't cased either beyond liking Avenger's response to my vote. Their individual reads don't mean much at this point because the game's just getting started and I need more context. I stated as much before we even got into this.

ok scum

[Servant Lancer]

Two townreads and two scumreads.
Probably not that easy.

[Servant Avenger]

With me, it is that easy.

[Servant Alter Ego]

Two townreads and two scumreads.
Probably not that easy.

Perhaps you'd like to actually engage me? It's easy to pick at posts in the 3rd person.

[Servant Lancer]

Self-meta isn't much to engage with. I want to ask what about your posting is usually scumread for you but that feels like toeing the line too hard for me to feel good about doing it.
FTR I scumread you for your opener being a request for claims to decide the Master. Also gut.

[Servant Saber]

Hi everyone! I lean more on the side of using Mastermaker to suss out nebulous reads than on the side of turning someone I already feel really good about into an Innocent Child. So:

VOTE: Alter Ego

Congratulations! You are a sufficiently posi-null lean as to warrant this kind of vote.

[Servant Lancer]

You're using the mechanic that gives a big boost to whoever's alignment is voted to sort out nullreads?

[Servant Caster]

Am I really going to have to argue with a serious contingent arguing we shouldn't just give it to the towniest player to keep it away from scum?

Saber, your post makes it sound like you have plenty of reads, so do you have any thoughts to share?

[Servant Alter Ego]

Self-meta isn't much to engage with. I want to ask what about your posting is usually scumread for you but that feels like toeing the line too hard for me to feel good about doing it.

Mostly I'm observing reactions to posts without my name on them, and remembering reactions to my posts before I was a somewhat known quantity at ms. It's not at all a case of being scumread by default.

FTR I scumread you for your opener being a request for claims to decide the Master.

I can see that as a legit reaction to the post, regardless of alignment.

Also gut.

I'm in observation mode atm. I'm not sure what will haul me into the game actively, or when it will happen, but I don't think it will be much longer. I thought talking to you might do the trick. Oh well.

[Servant Archer]

I like Berserker's push, and I like Foreigner's reaction to it.

I can see this conflict blowing the thread up for a few days, unfortunately.

Anything specific because that's a little vague and could be why I'm scumreading you. Thankfully hasn't really dominated the thread too much.

I was just about to ask to slow it down so others could post, but then I realized this is the master phase and all that matters is that town gets elected because we can’t hint at what our abilities do.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

Alter Ego could be a scum.

You too? I really don't see the point in calling random people scum and town without at least outlining reasons. That just makes me think scum trying to look good.
UNVOTE:

You called one of his posts busywork.

I was talking about Alter Ego. Haven't read the beserker/foreigner stuff, and I don't really care for it tbh.

It just occurred to me that maybe we should just get scum to claim and then they can take the vote after all.
And then we could have whisked it away.

I really don't understand what you're saying sometimes. I really hope this is a joke though because I don't see this ever being part of one's genuine thought process.

just trying to parse how berserker is "trying to control the game and steamroll" and therefore unworthy of a vote but avenger gets the ok

I am sorta annoyed at Avenger trying to buddy with people, and he would definitely be lower than berserker to me.

yes dumbass i'm asking what makes them distinct in your view

gonna tentatively call this town because it's quite provocative and daring as scum. Seems to fit with the narrative around him, but that's why it's tentative.

Story of my playstyle. I'm not going to go out of my way to extinguish style markers. I'm also not going to defend them on what's essentially a burner account.

Why didn't you ask Lancer why they thought you were scum? hmm

However, I am unsure why Foreigner is halfway to giving up over something no one else seems to give much of a shit about.

I didn't read it really as giving up(disclaimer: I skimmed through any posts relating to their argument). I thought it was more of not wanting to deal with a perceived bad scumread. I can sorta sympathize with this from a recent game I played before. Probably can't talk more about that, but I'm interested if you still think it's giving up or what I think.

If anyone would like to claim their attribute I would appreciate it.

tfw you forget what an attribute is.

slight townreads on assassin and foreigner
VOTE: Assassin

[Servant Lancer]

Like the point isn't the player gets to be IC. It's that they get the master ability and scum doesn't get the boost mentioned in the OP. So yes I'm only going to be okay with a player I am really sure is town.

[Servant Archer]

Am I really going to have to argue with a serious contingent arguing we shouldn't just give it to the towniest player to keep it away from scum?

No, I think we're all in general consensus about this.

[Servant Lancer]

I'm in observation mode atm. I'm not sure what will haul me into the game actively, or when it will happen, but I don't think it will be much longer. I thought talking to you might do the trick. Oh well.

It still might, I like this approach at least and I can sympathize with wanting to get into the game.

[Servant Archer]

oh i just saw sabers post
don't do that guys
vote town

[Servant Alter Ego]

Hi everyone! I lean more on the side of using Mastermaker to suss out nebulous reads than on the side of turning someone I already feel really good about into an Innocent Child. So:

VOTE: Alter Ego

Congratulations! You are a sufficiently posi-null lean as to warrant this kind of vote.

I feel icky.

Are you expecting that reactions to this vote will give you insight into my alignment?

[Servant Avenger]

@archer, why the town read on foreigner and why are you picking assassin over him?

[Servant Caster]

I didn't read it really as giving up(disclaimer: I skimmed through any posts relating to their argument). I thought it was more of not wanting to deal with a perceived bad scumread. I can sorta sympathize with this from a recent game I played before. Probably can't talk more about that, but I'm interested if you still think it's giving up or what I think.

I think those things are basically just different degrees of the same thing and I was being a little hyperbolic. And I don't know that overreacting to pressure is necessarily a scum trait or anything, it just struck me as a little quick to get down about it.

[Servant Archer]

@archer, why the town read on foreigner and why are you picking assassin over him?

I think revealing that he had information was a town move. The reason I picked assassin over him was because I mostly skimmed over foreigner's argument with berserker, so my read isn't the most developed. I don't really intend to actually read the argument though.

[Servant Avenger]

That is really suspicious to me archer.

[Servant Foreigner]

Hi everyone! I lean more on the side of using Mastermaker to suss out nebulous reads than on the side of turning someone I already feel really good about into an Innocent Child. So:

VOTE: Alter Ego

Congratulations! You are a sufficiently posi-null lean as to warrant this kind of vote.

I think the correct line is to vote someone who you think is town but not everyone sees.
So we get a benefit from the IC without helping scum.
Do you agree with this assessment?

[Servant Caster]

If I had to vote right now, I'd be between Archer and Alter Ego. And myself, obviously. But I don't have to vote right now.