Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[Grumpy Cat]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Datisi]

i feel like half the time grumpy is seriously trying to solve the game while the other half they're trying their hardest to get scumread and i'm finding it very amusing

[Grumpy Cat]

No

[Something_Smart]

you don't follow my train of thought or...? i mean 313 seemed to be starting a push for certain players over others based on draft, no?

But, she's not arguing to use (2), and it's not true that (1) and (3) are direct consequences of (2)-- they include the assumption that scum intentionally avoided doubling up.

[Datisi]

you don't follow my train of thought or...? i mean 313 seemed to be starting a push for certain players over others based on draft, no?

But, she's not arguing to use (2), and it's not true that (1) and (3) are direct consequences of (2)-- they include the assumption that scum intentionally avoided doubling up.

well that's my point, (2) seems like the most ~valid~ data point and the fact that it's being somewhat "overlooked" in favour of the other two in this scenario (a lot of small numbers picked, top three in draft being rather large numbers etc) is making me think there may be ~convenient bias~ in which slots she does or doesn't prefer

i know scum intentionally avoid doubling up with each other. but scum have no control over whether they're going to end up doubling with other townies, hence why i'm saying that "bias against going for the bottom three who tripled up and picked number 4" is making me go hmm

also yes i get she's not speaking in absolutes and that we must never vote those slots ever but ehh

[Datisi]

ugh i feel like i have too many "null but kinda scummy" slots right now

hoopla, do you have any non-mech reads/hot takes to offer

this game needs more content

maybe i'm not the one to talk when i keep dragging mech on

sigh

[Marquis]

I should have posted this yesterday but

V/LA until Thurs

[Something_Smart]

well that's my point, (2) seems like the most ~valid~ data point and the fact that it's being somewhat "overlooked" in favour of the other two in this scenario (a lot of small numbers picked, top three in draft being rather large numbers etc) is making me think there may be ~convenient bias~ in which slots she does or doesn't prefer

(2) is statistically meaningless without similar data for town.

[Umlaut]

Oh cool, more pages.

Page 9:

• Feel like GrumpyCat is towning up. 211 is good analysis.
  
• 218 is good mech work but I hope reads are generally going to be strong enough to outweigh things like that (but then Hoopla says that too in 219[/post).
  
• S_S reaction to Hoopla's vote pings me but I can't say why, maybe it's just confbias speaking.

Page 10:

• Okay, I didn't realize how serious Hoopla was about the plan to kill from the top of the draft list. More reasonable for S_S to take it seriously as something to discuss in that case.
  
• Actually I'm more agreeing with S_S' side of the PR importance debate.
  
• TW completely missing in [post]230 that GC answered his question makes me wonder if TW actually cares about the answer as much as he's acting.
  
• 243 - did you ever go further into what's wrong with calling S_S' post "fake"? Because I kind of vibed with that description.

Page 11:

• I don't think anyone actually wants to play this game as a pure logic puzzle and I don't think there's any need to repeatedly say "let's not do that" as if there were any risk of it happening.
  
• Re. 258, I'm reluctant to take Clover's question seriously as a towntell. Town got burned badly in a recent game I was in by a less experienced player doing just that (asking a lot of "questions like these" about mechanics and whether scum could talk during the day etc., purely for the sake of looking town).
  
• DrDoolittle wifoming the setup analysis bothers me. Like in 265, do you actually think that's something scum would do purely to throw us off, vs. the chance to claim an additional PR (and potentially deprive town of one as well)? I just don't see how you can actually think this is a thing scum decides to do.
  Considers
  sure,
  actually does
  no.

Okay I caught up with my last catch-up so now it's time for lunch! At this rate I'm sure I'll be fully caught-up any week now.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count 1.4

Something_Smart(3) - Gypyx, Hoopla, Umlaut
Umlaut(3) - DrDolittle, Grumpy Cat, Datisi
Dr Dolittle(2) - word321, iamausername
Gypyx(1) - Marquis
Iconeum(1) - Green Crayons
Marquis(1) - the worst

Not Voting(3) - Clover Ebi, Something_Smart, Iconeum
With 14 alive, elimination requires 8 votes

Day ends in (expired on 2020-09-13 23:00:00)

Mod notes: Marquis is V/LA until 9/3

[Clover Ebi]

Word/Worst/Hoopla/Grumpy Cat are all good townreads for me. We've posted 16 pages in 2 days and it's super hard for me to not blur past the words to fully get my thoughts in so I might just deal with the fact I'll forever be behind so I can get my thoughts on a page. Reading all this is exhausting and I've played mostly larges! VOTE: Green Crayon

[Clover Ebi]

I want to scumread DrDolittle but my reasoning goes against my style of play so I'll just wait and see if other people see what I see or if I'm going bonkers.

[Grumpy Cat]

Town got burned badly in a recent game I was in by a less experienced player doing just that (asking a lot of "questions like these" about mechanics and whether scum could talk during the day etc., purely for the sake of looking town).

Link pl0x

[Green Crayons]

Seems like a particularly confident push over very little. Feels like early scum distancing

yeah sure

weird thing to bring up on page 12

[Green Crayons]

I like, just don't agree with this, especially this line:
"the main players that should be off the table today is the trio of word/crayons/iamausername. the odds of one of these players being scum is so low we'd need overwhelming evidence to take a shot there."

what's the AI point you're making here?

[Green Crayons]

you don't follow my train of thought or...? i mean 313 seemed to be starting a push for certain players over others based on draft, no?

<ignores 220>

what is happening

[Green Crayons]

Oh cool, more pages.

is this just how you're going to play?

[Green Crayons]

feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

[Green Crayons]

feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

[Green Crayons]

Word/Worst/Hoopla/Grumpy Cat are all good townreads for me. We've posted 16 pages in 2 days and it's super hard for me to not blur past the words to fully get my thoughts in so I might just deal with the fact I'll forever be behind so I can get my thoughts on a page. Reading all this is exhausting and I've played mostly larges! VOTE: Green Crayon

the stated reasons for this vote are wrong and also exceptionally uninteresting, so let's slot you as town for now

[Something_Smart]

feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

I don't really follow that. Why are scum looking to start conversations more than town?

[Green Crayons]

Oh cool, more pages.

is this just how you're going to play?

Umlaut isn't the only one who does catch up posts (hi yes I do it too but with multiple posts rather than a single big one), but damn the format just feels like a scum indicative tactic here.

[Green Crayons]

^^^ mech/theory is great scum convo material because it allows them to be productive without doing the hard part of making up cases against town

double bonus if you can suspect a player because they put forward a theory you can poke holes in

[Something_Smart]

^^^ mech/theory is great scum convo material because it allows them to be productive without doing the hard part of making up cases against town

I don't agree with this. We must have a different definition of "productive," because I don't see why scum would try to be productive to the town wincon, and discussing mechanics (usually) isn't productive to the scum wincon.

I also don't think that making up cases against town is really that hard, nor is it necessary as scum if you don't talk about mechanics.

[Green Crayons]

Oh cool, more pages.

is this just how you're going to play?

Umlaut isn't the only one who does catch up posts (hi yes I do it too but with multiple posts rather than a single big one), but damn the format just feels like a scum indicative tactic here.

Just so I'm not a complete ass, here, because Umlaut has suggested IRL reasons for not being as active as he might otherwise be (so the inactivity itself isn't AI). There's a sense of Umlaut's catch-up posts are more like detached observations rather than any attempt to really engage. No engagement is safer for scum because that never requires devolving into argument where you might actually have to put rubber to the road and evict a towns person based on the back of your bad reasons.