Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[the worst]

feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

why do I not fit in the list?

why do I feel this underlying warmth/sincerity in words' posts..
is this what a tonal townread is????
it's been so long, I missed youuu

[the worst]

(1) should i be worried that you reacted to half the things with oh ah (don't have to answer this) and (2) do you want me to Make a Triangle (please do answer this)

oh...aaahhhhhh......
∆ (yes)

[Umlaut]

Oh cool, more pages.

is this just how you're going to play?

Probably not, but who knows!

(Really, probably not, this is just what I do to try and force myself to read and form some kind of thoughts instead of just skimming everything and realizing at the end that I don't remember any of it)

[Something_Smart]

I guess I'm not a good person to judge the likelihood of nervous scum who don't know how to approach the thread falling back on mechanics discussion, because mechanics discussion is never a fallback for me.

[Umlaut]

Town got burned badly in a recent game I was in by a less experienced player doing just that (asking a lot of "questions like these" about mechanics and whether scum could talk during the day etc., purely for the sake of looking town).

Link pl0x

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83575

CreativeMod1 confirmed in postgame that "All of my noob town-tells were 100% fake and planned"

[the worst]

in fairness that's fucking creativemod1 and if anyone bought that he was a cute noob they need their eyes checked. he is a cute god.

[Umlaut]

Just so I'm not a complete ass, here, because Umlaut has suggested IRL reasons for not being as active as he might otherwise be (so the inactivity itself isn't AI). There's a sense of Umlaut's catch-up posts are more like detached observations rather than any attempt to really engage. No engagement is safer for scum because that never requires devolving into argument where you might actually have to put rubber to the road and evict a towns person based on the back of your bad reasons.

I don't historically find making cases and engaging with other players to be that hard as scum. I know self-meta is terrible but I actually find it a bit easier to get engaged with the early game when I can just make up reads and feign confidence in them instead of having to form real reads and have actual confidence.

[the worst]

fair observation anyway tho; are you still talking about CloEbi's opener? what do you make of his second badpost?

pedit: dw you're not scummy yet just questionable, find your feet as you find them <3

[Umlaut]

what do you make of his second badpost?

Can you specify which one you're talking about?

[Grumpy Cat]

No

can I pat you pls
important game related question

yes but it has to be an odd number of times

I hate even numbers

[Umlaut]

I think S_S' reply looks willfully obtuse.

It was a little willfully obtuse, yes. But I felt like username wasn't saying what he really thought about my post, because "fake" was vague and generic and didn't really make sense in context.

"Yes I am being willfully obtuse" is... not the defense I was expecting, and I don't know what to think of it.

Hoopla's data collection seems like more work than scum would do; it's easy enough to say "probably scum chose different numbers" because of course town will think of that, but actually verifying this empirically is unnecessary if it were just for town cred.


115 - Why on earth would you take Hoopla's plan seriously enough to object to it? I assumed it was a shitpost.

these contradict each other

Not really, "scum chose different numbers from one another" and "I propose we just start executing from the top of the list" are two different things and I can agree with one while not taking the other seriously (though it seems like it was actually serious so (1) whoops and (2) no, let's not do that)

[the worst]

*pat pat pat pat*

Spoiler:

.................... *pat*

[the worst]

Word/Worst/Hoopla/Grumpy Cat are all good townreads for me. We've posted 16 pages in 2 days and it's super hard for me to not blur past the words to fully get my thoughts in so I might just deal with the fact I'll forever be behind so I can get my thoughts on a page. Reading all this is exhausting and I've played mostly larges! VOTE: Green Crayon

I want to scumread DrDolittle but my reasoning goes against my style of play so I'll just wait and see if other people see what I see or if I'm going bonkers.

@umlaut both of these tbh

[Datisi]

∆ (yes)

ok so grumpy i like them. i feel like i can follow what they're thinking even inbetween their shitposting. it's fine. it's cool. i like this cat.

ico i am aware has not done much yet and i am aware that for Reasons i'm gonna be a bit biased in my read for now. but like. i don't feel like i see anything alarming. i don't wanna go into paranoia mindfucks about him already.

drd i just feel like i read his posts and go "hey that's what i was thinking" (292, 302, 266, 153) and like for this gamestate where i feel like i'm missing Actual Townreads this is fine

s_s i'm just having gut town on. i don't know why, i don't know which posts are doing it, but it's a warm feeling and i'm gonna run with it for now

word i feel like i'm flip-flopping on? like now the more i look the posts look Good and Sincere even tho i don't know how much i like the content of some of them

clover and green are both like slightly towards the town part. i kinda vibe with the explaination for why clover's first post is town, and i kinda vibe with what green's said about him. also i liked some of green's takes as i said earlier.

hoopla i don't like my "case" or whatever and i'm yeeting her back into null.

duck... i know that i know nothing. i genuinely have no clue how to read you so i'mma just shelf this slot as ~neutral discussion participant~ until i get some sorta feeling somewhere

umlaut, so far my way of reading him has been "does he disremind me of the two scumgames of his that i modded" and the answer was yes and he was town and the answer right now is "no" and i'm aware that doesn't necessarily translate into him being scum but /shrug

marquis was at first null because Not Here but duck made an interesting remark so now it's null but also slightly to the right

username i kinda get the feeling that he's trying to avoid looking fake-busy (if that makes sense) but in turn i have almost no idea what his thoughts on the game are and his "pushes" so far just feel weirdly nitpicky and bad vibes all around.

gypyx started Not Good and now he's dissapeared and idk.

[Umlaut]

@umlaut both of these tbh

I mean those posts are not like stunning me with their brilliance but is there something in particular that pings you about them?

The first, I really sympathize with, this game is well beyond what I consider the sweet spot of activity and I tend to react the same way Clover says he is reacting (by just mindlessly scrolling through and then realizing I haven't actually read anything) unless I actively force myself to slog through, which is hard to do for something that is ultimately supposed to be a recreational activity.

The second, I don't really understand (why would you actively cultivate a style more specific than "identify the scum and get them yeeted") but I don't see the scum motivation either.

[Umlaut]

umlaut, so far my way of reading him has been "does he disremind me of the two scumgames of his that i modded" and the answer was yes and he was town and the answer right now is "no" and i'm aware that doesn't necessarily translate into him being scum but /shrug

Datisi can be town for this actually.

[Datisi]

is it bad that i thought "what are clover and umlaut talking about, this game is slow as shit, especially for a 14p" but then i realized i'm just traumatized from micro 960

[Something_Smart]

it's okay, datisi. we all are.

[Datisi]

umlaut, so far my way of reading him has been "does he disremind me of the two scumgames of his that i modded" and the answer was yes and he was town and the answer right now is "no" and i'm aware that doesn't necessarily translate into him being scum but /shrug

Datisi can be town for this actually.

the wifom of "should umlaut be townreading me for this when the last time we played together and were t/t i used that as reasoning for townreading him (before voting him at eod but that's besides the point) and he liked it and therefore i would know he buys that reasoning from me so would theoretically know how to approach him as scum and he shouldn't be awarding me townpoints for it"

maybe i shouldn't be overthinking it

maybe i should

should i?

[Hoopla]

ugh i feel like i have too many "null but kinda scummy" slots right now

hoopla, do you have any non-mech reads/hot takes to offer

this game needs more content

at the best of times, it takes me a while to really sink my teeth into a game (even one's without distracting mechanics). some of that stems from pessimism about D1 inaccuracy. like, i know you have to "fake it til you make it", so to speak, with early reads but ugh. townhunting i find somewhat easier d1, but like you, i tend to end up with a lot of null reads.

i've come to accept that that's okay on D1.

my de facto coping mechanism is aggressive bandwagoning on non-town reads. after a while, real information (wagons/claims etc) seep into the game and i find it easier.

that doesn't really answer your question, so to throw you a bone;

i like clover, grumpy cat, crayons for town. i've been flipflopping on the worst, but feel better about him based on our most recent interaction.

i think you've been a useful contributor too, though i admit i haven't seen your play before, so can't really trust my judgement there yet. i tend to favour utility executing D1 and like keeping around voices of reason like you - because in the event they are town, it will be +EV.

composition of the umlaut wagon looks decent, soooo

UNVOTE:
VOTE: umlaut

[the worst]

nothing

shift me to the top please. i'm so sad.

[Datisi]

i think you've been a useful contributor too, though i admit i haven't seen your play before, so can't really trust my judgement there yet. i tend to favour utility executing D1 and like keeping around voices of reason like you - because in the event they are town, it will be +EV.

can you elaborate on this? like i'm not sure exactly what part of my play or posting so far feels like ~useful contribution~ (or what part you consider it to be that)

[Datisi]

nothing

shift me to the top please. i'm so sad.

to be fair i probably should've put you at the top of the triangle...

[the worst]

is it bad that i thought "what are clover and umlaut talking about, this game is slow as shit, especially for a 14p" but then i realized i'm just traumatized from micro 960

n_n

[Grumpy Cat]

Why am I in everyone's townblocs

It makes me feel all vulnerable and unclean

Next person to scumread me is townlocked without mercy