FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Alter Ego]

I like Servant Ruler's first post, especially their doing some mod-meta and coming into the thread decisively. Sorry to see them go.

[Servant Beast]

The only way for scum to get the information is for Cabd to go out of their way to give it to them while letting town figure it out for themselves.

While I like(d) your thinking, your reasoning is flawed. Scum could have figured it out with no help from the mod.

Think about how getting elected would seal their fate, then think about how they'd expect it to propagate.

that seems incredibly unlikely. Especially since it was literally in the first 24 hours still. You are giving scum too much credit or just making excuses.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

I asked Cabd one question and figured it out. Scum probably did too if they weren't dicking about.

[Servant Assassin]

fkn noob prism, how the fk do u alt slip when ur main isnt in any games

[Servant Assassin]

i scumread ruler solely because i know who made that post now

I asked Cabd one question and figured it out. Scum probably did too if they weren't dicking about.

i guessed it without asking any questions, not a difficult logical leap. <shamelessly scummy setup spec>they had 4 role pms to compare and it's likely they have some similar version of the effect and could deduce it from there</ssss>. however, 10 town players got that role PM, and some of them almost certainly did think their role was somehow uniquely broken and rushed to request getting this awesone power. from that perspective berserker's opening looks legit

[Servant Moon Cancer]

With no other info, I don't think that's true? How did you discern that out of the blue? I only figured it out because of my role. (And at first I thought it was Cabd being a troll.)

Also not sure it's something everyone can do? Has every player claimed they have it too?

[Servant Alter Ego]

i scumread ruler solely because i know who made that post now

Elaborate?

[Servant Assassin]

With no other info, I don't think that's true? How did you discern that out of the blue? I only figured it out because of my role. (And at first I thought it was Cabd being a troll.)

Also not sure it's something everyone can do? Has every player claimed they have it too?

didnt think it was likely the mod would give me an ability that is significantly stronger than everyone elses

if anyone can't grant others their "with a master" bonus, they haven't claimed so

i scumread ruler solely because i know who made that post now

Elaborate?

that's half a joke but it felt like devoting so many words to setup stuff and berserk was a 'safe' opinion post. should not be taken as a particularly strong read

[Servant Rider]

@Rider, this is what I'm talking about. Lancer said to stop claiming, Avenger straight up said he had the same ability.

As for lancer, it's a weaker read but it's actually tied to their interactions with assassin (which is where I got that read). I liked how lancer came off in their responses and I didn't like Assassin's push. It's borderline gut for now I know, but it's day 0 so that's enough for me.

Re: Avenger, I see. That's a fair point and I agree it's unlikely scum reacts that way. I need to reread Avenger (again).
Talk to me about Assassin. Specifically what bothers you about his push? I quite liked him for it; Lancer didn't have an established reason to vote Avenger over Berserker and when questioned got weird about it (128). Assassin built steam over Lancer's stream of odd responses (152 in particular I disliked) and I don't see any scum motivation there.

Next tier is Caster. I like the way he defends his reads without going overboard or expressing assurance on reads that don't have sufficient basis for stronger stances.

I like Caster primarily because I keep reading posts and thinking things about them (notable example: 241 and 242) and Caster has this tendency to show up shortly thereafter and mind meld with me.

I like the little flares of cynicism from Lancer and I think I just like them as a fellow-inhabitant of the game. Alignment wise I'm not at a solid townread. I feel similarly about Archer and Avenger - they are contributing to my enjoyment of the game. There are townflashes in their posts, but they're not strong townreads.

I'm slowly coming around on Avenger. Hard disagree on Archer though; 241 made me 180 and march right down scumfuck lane with that one. Discussion?

Beast is null. A vote without engagement is meh. 259 and 265 do feel slightly town, and I like that they engaged with Rider's questions. Sometimes 7 posts is enough to form a strong opinion. It's going to take more than that here.

Last night, I realized I was responding to Moon Cancer like their suspicion of me is coming from town. This morning, I'm not trusting that instinctual reaction so much. I'm sitting on a null town take.

I have the faintest of faint townleans on Beast simply because of their response to me and Moon Cancer. Moon Cancer I'm going to start needing some proper content from quickly.

I do think rider, archer want the votes.
Assassin isn’t objecting to them.

I thought I'd answered this last night. I'll be more explicit; I don't want the master upgrade. The only real interest I have in it would be that it'd be nice to be an IC and it'd be nice to trust the person who's conferring Master upgrades. I have enough decent townreads now that the latter isn't an issue and the former is personal idiosyncrasy. Give it to someone that benefits us mechanically.

I do think rider, archer want the votes.
Assassin isn’t objecting to them.

This isn't even true, and it's quite ironic too.

What's your point?

Honestly, I just want to king Foreigner whether he likes it or not and call it a day. I don't feel confident enough about anything else. VOTE: Foreigner

I am fine with this vote, but I don't think your sense of urgency reads natural.

So what's scum!Caster's motivation for voting town!Foreigner and feeling urgent about it?

This should not even be in question imo. #77 is wrong about Cabd and the loophole. Cabd

has already

left a loophole. None of us were given any reason to think the master-making ability was shared. I didn't assume I was the most powerful role in the game, but I absolutely did not expect it to be shared.

It is also not in the sample role PM in the OP.

The only way for scum to get the information is for Cabd to go out of their way to give it to them while letting town figure it out for themselves. This is a much more obvious scum auto-clear and would be nonsensical.

tl;dr: Cabd already made a mistake. This game was a race to reveal who knew it first. Scum knowing it before town would be ??? puzzling given that it's not in the town sample PM. Berserker should be the vote for the day.

No, he didn't. Neither the town sample nor the scum sample had any master upgrade indications in it, but Cabd has personally broken games due to this exact kind of fuckup by other mods. No way in hell he leaves that kind of loophole in one of his games.

VOTE: Caster

[Servant Assassin]

caster never really outed a scumread on archer for those posts though

also i do not townread caster

[Servant Foreigner]

I still don't want to win this vote just so you know Caster.
It would force me to play to win a lot more then what I am currently willing to do.

I kind of just want to have fun this game, it's a swingy game you can put in 100% effort and lose to a bus driven cop inno, might as well have fun.

[Servant Rider]

He's not really outing much of anything at any point in his ISO, on reread. His only real solid declarations have been support of Archer and Alter Ego in 199 and Foreigner... basically 204 onwards. I dunno. I still like him though.

Do you actively scumread him or do you just not have him as a townread, Assassin? If the former, elaborate please?

[Servant Alter Ego]

Next tier is Caster. I like the way he defends his reads without going overboard or expressing assurance on reads that don't have sufficient basis for stronger stances.

I like Caster primarily because I keep reading posts and thinking things about them (notable example: 241 and 242) and Caster has this tendency to show up shortly thereafter and mind meld with me.

Yeah there's some of that going on. I've reached the point where I want to size up Caster's take on posts versus mine as a reality check, which is pretty solid townread territory.

I like the little flares of cynicism from Lancer and I think I just like them as a fellow-inhabitant of the game. Alignment wise I'm not at a solid townread. I feel similarly about Archer and Avenger - they are contributing to my enjoyment of the game. There are townflashes in their posts, but they're not strong townreads.

I'm slowly coming around on Avenger. Hard disagree on Archer though; 241 made me 180 and march right down scumfuck lane with that one. Discussion?

The main thing that stands out for me in 241 is in the reply to Avenger. Archer has indicated they hadn't read through the 1v1, and at some point said they'd decided to give it another try in reply to one of my posts about the interaction. And then came back a while later and said something to the effect of yeah, can't make myself wade all the way through that.

I thought there was an inconsistency regarding Archer's take on the basis for Avenger's townread of Foreigner. It could come from an overly literal-minded playstyle, maybe? Being an overly literal-minded player, myself in some ways, it's more of a note of interest than a tick-mark. The depth of Avenger's aversion to reading through the 1v1, especially given that it didn't burn the entire thread down, seems extreme, though.
I'm remembering the hallowed words of some of my earliest offsite mentors regarding emotional range in generic scum but that feels like a misapplication of those rules of thumb, which really aren't all that reliable anymore. Which leaves the contradictions themselves. Is there scum motivation in them?

How does the Assassin vote work for scum-Archer? We're both townreading Assassin. In your concept of the game state would that indicate that scum would rather have the dayplay of 4 players than the power-up of 3?

Beast is null. A vote without engagement is meh. 259 and 265 do feel slightly town, and I like that they engaged with Rider's questions. Sometimes 7 posts is enough to form a strong opinion. It's going to take more than that here.

Last night, I realized I was responding to Moon Cancer like their suspicion of me is coming from town. This morning, I'm not trusting that instinctual reaction so much. I'm sitting on a null town take.

I have the faintest of faint townleans on Beast simply because of their response to me and Moon Cancer. Moon Cancer I'm going to start needing some proper content from quickly.[/quote]

Yeah. That's were my null-town is coming from. With Moon Cancer, I need more not-related-to-me stuff to think about, I guess. I usually get good data for reads from how people react to my posts. This reaction just felt so far out in left field I can't really process alignment likelihood yet. Though in general I'm not hugely fond of running with day 1 associatives, which is basically what they're doing with their me/Archer stuff.

I do think rider, archer want the votes.
Assassin isn’t objecting to them.

I thought I'd answered this last night. I'll be more explicit; I don't want the master upgrade. The only real interest I have in it would be that it'd be nice to be an IC and it'd be nice to trust the person who's conferring Master upgrades. I have enough decent townreads now that the latter isn't an issue and the former is personal idiosyncrasy. Give it to someone that benefits us mechanically.[/quote]

Good, then I did grok this correctly last night.

VOTE: Caster

This is where I'm at, too. Almost went ahead and added a vote to this post, but haste isn't my thing.

[Servant Alter Ego]

Messed up a couple of quotes. If it's not understandable, let me know and I'll redo.

[Servant Rider]

You're fine, Alter. Takes a bit of doing to parse it properly but I'll manage, no need to add post count.

What bothers me about 241 is that there's a lot of PBPA with absolutely no actual value whatever. It's fluffier than Fou, and that's saying something. There was plenty of content to comment on in the 5ish hours they'd been gone, but instead we got... what we got. For example, they point at me and say I could be town because... unseen progression? No? Press me on it, firm up the read, something. ANYTHING. The whole post is just.. bad. They've also done a lot of promising for rereads and revisits and what have you and I've seen no results from that so far either. And not just about the 1v1.

I'm not really inclined to get into theoreticals about about scum!Archer voting when they're alone doing so and not doing anything in particular to promote it. In terms of game theory for scum given role madness 10v4 is still pretty good odds for them. And that's also why I think that the scum juice upgrades for winning the master must be insane given they lose a player for it. The game is balanced but swingy.

As for voting Caster, I'm not really in any rush either. I voted them to make a statement more than anything. If nothing else, we need to hear more from Berserker, Shielder, Moon Cancer, Beast, and Lancer before moving on. 6 days and 47 pages left, use em up.

[Servant Caster]

they had 4 role pms to compare and it's likely they have some similar version of the effect and could deduce it from there.

If this thought process is scummy, then I'm scummy too.

[Servant Assassin]

He's not really outing much of anything at any point in his ISO, on reread. His only real solid declarations have been support of Archer and Alter Ego in 199 and Foreigner... basically 204 onwards. I dunno. I still like him though.

Do you actively scumread him or do you just not have him as a townread, Assassin? If the former, elaborate please?

not a lot of defined stances a lot of empty posts with stuff like talking about strategy for the vote now ("jus master town!" great. but who and why? "eh just king foreigner and get it over with"). they complained about people being cagey with reads but haven't really had many themselves. hard to get a sense this is someone who is analyzing anything. if i were a nerd who made lists they'd be in the scumreads but it's not a high confidence read.

[Servant Caster]

I still don't want to win this vote just so you know Caster.
It would force me to play to win a lot more then what I am currently willing to do.

I kind of just want to have fun this game, it's a swingy game you can put in 100% effort and lose to a bus driven cop inno, might as well have fun.

That's all the more reason to give it to you though. >:/
It may be swingy, but I think trying is more fun than not trying. If we lose because of lolmechanics, that's okay, I can get some personal satisfaction other ways by at least helping give us a chance.

He's not really outing much of anything at any point in his ISO, on reread. His only real solid declarations have been support of Archer and Alter Ego in 199 and Foreigner... basically 204 onwards. I dunno. I still like him though.

Do you actively scumread him or do you just not have him as a townread, Assassin? If the former, elaborate please?

That's fair. I'm developing a townread on you as well, if that helps, and maybe Assassin. Archer may have degraded a bit since he started quote striping, but this is a popular opinion now. I probably should have more reasons for stuff but I am not fully assembled at the current moment.

I hope declaring you don't want to be the IC doesn't become in vogue. I don't want to have to try to parse which of those declarations are just for towncred later.

[Servant Assassin]

i will declare i don't NOT want to gain a Master

[Cabd]

Vote Count M-3

Avenger (3): Avenger, Lancer, Beast
Assassin (2): Archer, Foreigner
Caster (2): Saber, Rider
Foreigner (1): Caster
Berserker (1): Ruler

Phase Page Count: 13/60

With 14 servants alive, it takes 8 votes to lock in a master. Otherwise, a master will be selected by plurality rules in: (expired on 2020-09-07 21:23:37)

[Servant Avenger]

I like Servant Ruler's first post, especially their doing some mod-meta and coming into the thread decisively. Sorry to see them go.

Do you think the mod learned from their mistak? Or was that past game even a mistake at all? I’m seemed like an obvious loophole. @rider, thoughts here since you kind of appealed to authority in your opening post?

Been rereading.

Signal to noise ratio from saber is probably a complaint of wall posts or lacking conciseness or both.
Altar ego and archer are both somewhat guilty of this sin, but I don’t particularly think it’s super scummy. Though, I am a little confused why altar ego said they get suspected a lot with wall posts like that.

A lot of people don’t want a master it seems. I get that. I want a master though. What could I do to earn your vote? I don’t want to be too forceful here. But I also can’t really trust anybody else with it.

@Rider. I can see what you mean with caster, but I also think it’s a ~little too soon~ to be town reading him.
@alterego: I’m glad I’m contributing to your enjoyment of the game.
@Berserker sorry to hear that. Take care and see you tomorrow!
@ruler. *points and laughs* also, I’m really sorry and I feel bad that you’re gunna miss out on a great game. #life.

Shielder in that lobby. Don’t alt slip!

[Servant Shielder]

Master Selection Phase
This phase lasts 7 days. All players will converse in the main thread and vote for a player to gain a Master. At the end of the phase, the servant with plurality gains a Master. (in the event of a tie, all "winning" slots will be randomly entered and one will be drawn) Having a Master confers benefits depending upon the alignment of the player:

If a town Master is selected, the town Master + servant is revealed as an innocent child and becomes unkillable by ANY means until day two has passed. The servant in that slot will additionally have their role modified to account for the additional support they now have. Day 1 will become an double-elimination day and last for 240 hours (10 days) instead of 168 hours (7 days). (The first elimination WILL reset the vote count)

If a scum Master is selected, that mafia member immediately flips and exits the main game thread. The three remaining members of mafia have their role PMs upgraded to much stronger versions of their existing abilities, while the flipped member of the mafia remains in the scum PT, allowed to advise and lead the team.

The game will then proceed into Day 1 as a single-elimination day.

So, we can get confirmed IC if we get the most votes?

[Servant Avenger]

@Yes.
plus they’re unkillable for 2 days.

Tell me, do you want to get voted for master? If so, why? Use innuendo.

[Cabd]

In the interest of doing what is right, I am reversing the rule about changing the account pronoun setting. While this does "hide" additional data to prevent main account guessing, it ends up with players who are addressed by pronouns they wish to not use. As such, this is no longer a rules infraction, and players are encouraged to change their pronouns to that of their preference. Players, please use the pronouns set on the account you are addressing whenever possible. Thank you!

[Servant Shielder]

@Yes.
plus they’re unkillable for 2 days.

Tell me, do you want to get voted for master? If so, why? Use innuendo.

Well, I obviously wouldn’t mind being IC’d. If you’re asking me to make a case as to why I deserve it more than anyone else, my only answer is I know I’m town and then I would be confirmed.

I’m overwhelmed by all of the mech talk and don’t feel I yet have a confident grasp on this game., so if confidence in clearly understanding the gamestate is what’s needed to convince enough people I’m town here. I don’t see that happening yet unfortunately. :/