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[Nosferatu]

Although

I think that cfj is town

. call it a 70% certainty.

totally unambiguous

Eventually Walter calls me "70% certainty" of town (#614);

this is technically a mild scumread (assuming a 10:3 setup, a hypothetically town Walter would think a perfectly null read was 75% likely to be town.)

why even make this digression?

[Nosferatu]

Instead, you've basically been just sitting there, sitting on your read, not even reading the game. (I can tell you aren't reading because you're wrong about the size of wagons: I'm not the leading wagon, but the fourth-largest (third-largest if you ignore the wagon on shelly, which is a joke). The largest wagons are on Walter and on you.)

makes it seem like italiano is just totally off-base but on the literal last page we can see he definitely was the leading wagon

Votecount 1.10

callforjudgement(4)

~ RCEnigma(52), Looker(49), ItalianoVD(48), Tayl0r Swift(19)

WaltertheDunce10(2)

~ Raya36(43), Not_Mafia(23)

shellyc(2)

~ Nosferatu(61), Frogsterking(26)

Tayl0r Swift(1)

~ callforjudgement(50)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ geraintm(50)

ItalianoVD(1)

~ shellyc(56)

geraintm(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(70)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ WaltertheDunce10(62)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-06 11:18:30)

two of the replacements were on his wagon so they subsequently unvoted, totally normal, but cfg acts like this was ages ago and italiano is practically just on a different planet

[Nosferatu]

but ya don't question his narrative at all lets go big post = town yes

VOTE: italianovd

[Tayl0r Swift]

but ya don't question his narrative at all lets go big post = town yes

VOTE: italianovd

so this is a sarcastic vote?

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 1.11

ItalianoVD(4)

~ RCEnigma(62), shellyc(70), callforjudgement(59), Nosferatu(71)

WaltertheDunce10(2)

~ Raya36(52), Not_Mafia(23)

shellyc(2)

~ Frogsterking(28), Tayl0r Swift(30)

callforjudgement(2)

~ ItalianoVD(63), Looker(51)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ geraintm(54)

geraintm(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(74)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ WaltertheDunce10(67)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-06 11:18:30)

[Tayl0r Swift]

my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.

[Looker]

Every second spent reading mafia is a burden to me.

Don’t play mafia then

But we don't have to read to play. You could really just vote if you wanted.

A bit, but the fact you unvoted then put down reading. I probably would have flipped those two around.
As I also noted it was only one post of yours.
Has anything popped out to you in your reading so far?
Also, Looker, in an earlier post I noted the lack of a big wagon, now that has changed since I made it but it reminded me of bugspray D1. Do you think that could be the case here?

• So if I would have put down "reading" and then "unvote", you would've been fine? It doesn't make sense to me.
  
• Reading is boring and I fall asleep. Is there anything particular I should focus on?
  
• I don't know what you're referring to when you say bugspray.

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:
reading

Weird opening imo. This is pure gut but more than a bit scummy to me

Seemed like a pretty standard opening to me

No meta? I do that in all the games I replace in.

In case this is not clear, I have finished reading the game.

Why was this relevant? Did someone accuse you of not reading?

Nope. You're newbtown from my understanding. The first part I said //could// be ready as you forming a case out of nothing. What I really think it is is newbtown trying to find something to comment on. It's also easy to understand why newbtown would join an opportunistic wagon.

I'm struggling to find something to comment on. Where should I focus?

@callforjudgment:

Spoiler:

You are right, at the time I made my comment I thought you were still the leading wagon because I initially missed Taylor and RCEnigma jumping off of you. My apologies on that; with that said: There were two changes to the game state that your wagon was involved in.

(1) Nosferatu said the game was boring and for someone to do something. That’s when the counterwagon to your wagon was created (Banana)
(2) You said you didn’t like the game state and wanted something done about it. That’s when your wagon gets dissolved. (Walter / myself)

You

were

the leading wagon and were at L-2.

1) RCEnigma started it
2) Nosferatu jumped on
3) SJReaver jumped on
4) I jumped on
5) Taylor jumped on

Then 573 happened, and Banana became the counterwagon. In 631 you said you didn’t like the gamestate and wanted something to be done about it. At the time of that post you were still the leading wagon. Then your wagon dissolved and went back to Walter and then to myself.

There is a problem with all this and the #1 problem is that you are pretty universally scumread. Frogsterking scumreads your slot, RCEnigma scumreads your slot, Taylor scumreads your slot, Raya scumreads your slot and yet none of them are voting for you.

If you are scum:

then I’d surmise your two partners are in that group or one is in that group and the other has distanced themselves from you completely.

If you are town:

then you’d be an easy target for scum to latch onto given your universal scumread, which is why I find it hard to believe that your wagon would dissolve if it was scum driven.

This makes the most sense to me.

[geraintm]

@ nosferatu - thanks for providing some explanation of your votes. will be useful later

@ call for judgement - this feels like a well meaning post. can you see yourself not voting for Italiano today>

I do tend to be a person who is miselimed cfj. I call bullshit on this statement, I think that all 3 wagons you, Italiano and I are somewhat town.
I should point out that 650 was not enough of a scum read and a vote. I did not think of that number to be associated with the actual percentage, just one that you have a higher chance of flipping town.

i'll note here that most wagons are mostly town. just the way it works

this is a good post. i think there is a third possible explanation though, which is why i moved my vote away from walter. i dont think im going to vote for walter or italiano today, but will expect more from them on subsequent days.

you do like leaving reasons hanging in the air. you did it in 690 too when you said we shouldn't discuss your vote, and you again have hinted at something you know but don't want to share with us.

oof yeah i really wanna lynch in cfj, shelly, enigma, or walter. like really really. they cant all be scum but this is some serious opportunism, id be surprised if there arent at least 2 scum in there maybe even all three if walter is scum.

don't like posts like this. caling out a third of the game and saying there is likely to be a scum in there...well duh. it feels like a post they can circle back later to to say "look, I always thought they were scum"

i think having a PoE of 3-4 people at this stage is pretty good actually. and im not saying i think theres one scum in this group. im saying i think this is where we find most if not all of the scum and flipping here will solve the game.

we have very different views on how helpful this type of post is then. I understand I am not going to change people's minds but it is something I do take note of

@ Italiano when you said "two partners are in that group" - what was the group you meant?

I aim to start going through everyone and give my thoughts on them soon.

[GeorgeBailey]

Frogsterking and Not_Mafia have been prodded!

[Frogsterking]

I don't have much new to add except that I'm tempted to do an ISO on the Walter slot because his alignment seems to be a point of contention.

Looker replaced into a slot I had a slight town read on and shelly replaced into a slot I was scum reading and on first glance neither has done anything yet that looks alignment indicative to me.

[Frogsterking]

Also I do think that Nosferatu's recent posts are much more pro town, so at this point while I'm still skeptical of Nosferatu I'm happiest with where my vote is currently at because of my earlier read on Banana.

my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.

Who is enigma?

[Not_Mafia]

Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also I do think that Nosferatu's recent posts are much more pro town, so at this point while I'm still skeptical of Nosferatu I'm happiest with where my vote is currently at because of my earlier read on Banana.

my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.

Who is enigma?

RCEnigma?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch

no and no.

[Frogsterking]

Also I do think that Nosferatu's recent posts are much more pro town, so at this point while I'm still skeptical of Nosferatu I'm happiest with where my vote is currently at because of my earlier read on Banana.

my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.

Who is enigma?

RCEnigma?

Oh shit I've been reading it as RCE nigma this whole time, like he's into sports or radios or something.

[ItalianoVD]

@Italiano when you said "two partners are in that group" - what was the group you meant?

I was talking about this group

There is a problem with all this and the #1 problem is that you are pretty universally scumread. Frogsterking scumreads your slot, RCEnigma scumreads your slot, Taylor scumreads your slot, Raya scumreads your slot and yet none of them are voting for you.

This is not even taking into account cfj’s two voters (myself and Looker). So there’s a total of 6 slots out of the 13 that have made it known that they are either scumreading him or comfortable placing a vote there.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i no longer scumread cfj, at least not sufficiently to place a vote there. i will not be voting for cfj today.

[Nosferatu]

cool bro, you townread low effort paragraphs; will remember

[Tayl0r Swift]

yep thats what i did and do. just write a longish paragraph and ill assume it could only come from town. thats what i said at the time and im sticking by my original statement. you really sound like scum who is frustrated that townies are being successful in townhunting.

[Nosferatu]

crazy how ppl can be so confident for no reason whatsoever

[Frogsterking]

Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch

I'd be more likely to consider joining your wagon if I understood why you scum read him.

[Tayl0r Swift]

to be clear nos, my last post was sarcastic. also, is your vote on italiano sarcastic or serious?

[Gamma Emerald]

my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.

Why do you think they all pile on the same wagon with minimal reasoning? Towards the beginning, no less?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can flashwagon Walter please, italiano is a vig kill not a lynch

We have no assurance that a vig is in the game, calling someone a vig kill is meaningless while that’s the case

[Tayl0r Swift]

my current solve is enigma shelly and nos.

Why do you think they all pile on the same wagon with minimal reasoning? Towards the beginning, no less?

yeah kinda interesting but they were my solve before all hopping on the same counterwagon. or maybe concurrently, but for other reasons.