In post 823, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Since this was addressed to Casey, who is only scumreading you, this post seems to suggest that you are anxious and guarded. Also, if you are not scum, why do you consider Casey good at picking up on tells in other's behaviors. Shouldn't it be the opposite?In post 799, Frogsterking wrote:I have a theory that you are good at picking up on tells in others behaviors, and that you scum read people who seem anxious and guarded, is this true?
Warning: essay approaching!!In post 823, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Since this was addressed to Casey, who is only scumreading you,In post 799, Frogsterking wrote:I have a theory that you are good at picking up on tells in others behaviors, and that you scum read people who seem anxious and guarded, is this true?#1this post seems to suggest that you are anxious and guarded.#2Also, if you are not scum, why do you consider Casey good at picking up on tells in other's behaviors.#3Shouldn't it be the opposite?
#1
Correct. On the five-factor personality trait continuum (acronym O.C.E.A.N: Openness, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, Neuroticism) I score very high on disagreeableness (or very low on agreeableness), a subtrait of which is how likely you are to be guarded and suspicious toward others, very high on introversion (low on extraversion), and very high on neuroticism (sensitivity to anxiety), which were the main categories I was thinking about here. I believe Casey, shelly and I are all similar in a specific combination in that we are about midrange conscientiousness (Casey's correction of medias vs medium for one example), very high in disagreeableness because we are competitive, and very high in openness which is why we all self-identified as behavioral players, prefer lifestyles related to the arts, value things that are aesthetic or creative etc. and I did not believe that aspect was at play in her scumread here (except in a helpful way in that Casey initially enjoyed my posts minus the statistical parts) so I thought there might be some conflict brewing regarding guardedness and anxiety. I also wonder if people who are disagreeable and introverted express it differently than people who are disagreeable and extraverted, due to a sub trait of extraversion called assertiveness, which I will be focusing on in response to #3.
#2
Not necessarily because being able to describe other's behavior and accurately identify deception are different things. I'm inclined to believe that humans aren't really able to identify deceptive behavior as much as they're able to recognize when the liar has made a mistake, or failing that when some kinds of behavior may be easier to conceal a lie, such as in this case a personality that appears anxious, introverted and guarded. One example of why I believe she might be good at picking up on other's behaviors is that she very quickly said things like "N-E-E-E-R-D" if I recall correctly, and though I do not self-identify as a nerd, if she was referring to the concept of a personality that was anxious, introverted, and competitive+guarded, then she is accurate not only on a qualitative scale but on a quantifiable one as well (the five-factor model) and she didn't need to read much of my writing to determine that. This also is congruent with how she seems to view the world and other things she said like "the ones who aren't the cool kids get voted out", also to paraphrase.
My theory is that as she read more of my writing she was able to pick up on more subtle aspects of my personality which is what she began scum reading me for.
A more critical example is when she scum read me for the push on Lavar. I believe she was correctly assessing that I was motivated by anxiety on some level though not fully aware of it, and town read his assertiveness and posting lots of reads. I believe she also townread Redados for being assertive at some points in D1, and this trend is important for how I'm about to continue:
I think she thought that I viewed her as town because of the welcome post, and because I didn't assert that I town read her, she suspected I might have been attempting to conceal that I knew she was town because I'm mafia, when instead she was accurately identifying two behavioral tells I wasn't fully aware of (guardedness and my view on the MagikHorse/Casey slot) which was accurate on her part, however the conclusion of deceptive behavior was not. Another example of when she was bothered by my guardedness early on was in my response to Redados on D1, when I said "Hmm", which she viewed as killing the conversation and holding something back. Of course since Casey is also disagreeable, most of these behavioral tells she picks up on she is inclined to be suspicious of, especially ones that are most unlike herself.
This seems to me what Casey is screening for here in a nutshell, the anxiety and guardedness in other players, as she does not come off as dumb, fabricating her reads, or inexperienced, so I'm not inclined to write her views off quite yet even though I know she is wrong about my alignment. Though she says she relies on her gut I believe there is something specific motivating her actions as she also does not come off as wishy washy, which is why I narrowed it down to guardedness and anxiety that she's picking up on.
#3
Like I said I think that Casey is high on disagreeableness, or has a tendency to be competitive, and I think because of her posting style and how she describes herself she is more extraverted and less sensitive to anxiety, at least compared to myself and possibly some other players in this game, so when she picks up on these tells she is inclined to be suspicious of them especially because they are unlike herself, some people act this way when they lie, and she is inclined to be suspicious in general because she is disagreeable. For yet another example on this behavior, she initially didn't like the Larvar slot on D1 when he did not jump in very much as the replacement, but viewed him more favorably when he started speaking up on D2. Like I mentioned toward the end of #1, another key difference of extraversion that may cause disagreebleness to reflect differently is the subtrait of extraversion called assertiveness. Casey seems to value assertiveness highly, and being very low in extraversion myself I tend to behave much less assertively IRL and online.
This trait doesn't always stop me from speaking out, because the disagreeableness makes me competitive and the neuroticism makes me defensive, and the openness makes me desire to be creative. I suspect that Casey is accurately identifying my behavior as being in turns quiet, creative, aggressive or defensive, and when I do speak out it comes from a desire to win rather than a genuine desire to assert myself, so while she initially appreciated the creativity she became suspicious of my play as it seemed anxious, guarded and aggressive (though she is also aggressive but in a less guarded way) and from her point of view not very genuine as she values and is motivated by assertiveness, not just winning.
It makes sense to me that she could accurately identify my behavior, while still incorrectly concluding me as scum, if she is observing guardedness, anxiety, desire to win combined with lack of assertiveness, as some people act this way when they lie and it is different from her own behavior and she is presumably town. I believe that after interacting with me for a longer period of time she would realize that these traits in my case are not indicative of deception, as my behavior is like this when I'm telling the truth as well, since it's part of my personality.
It also makes sense you would choose Casey to push with Frederick once you saw how she is reading the game, as being extraverted and disagreeable, it's less likely she has the introspection to realize you're using her because she is extraverted and is more prone to disagree with me if I try to change her mind because she is disagreeable (no offense Casey.)
Umm if you're seriously town then it would be more difficult to find an example of how your play was not erratic. If you're town then whatever drugs you were on when you wrote that stuff outlined in 813 I want some.In post 819, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Why is this play erratic?
If you're scum the play makes a lot of sense though. I believe you will flip scum here.
And what has he done?
