Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[Grumpy Cat]

Give me a town game where you played similar to here

[Iconeum]

sure

this one just finished, so should be relevant

you decide how similar it is tho

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83882

[Grumpy Cat]

Will check later

[Iconeum]

weekend vla - back on tuesday

this extended vla is exceptional - normally i'm only away on saturday and sunday

[Datisi]

Why is Ico a popular push early usually?

goes hard early game, his pushes can make no sense, reacts defensively to pushes which people see as scummy because ???

[Datisi]

thanks for not interacting with anything i said, ducky

[Iconeum]

I know, but the way you called DDL town for it and with the "oof" rubs me the wrong way

It's a ping so idk how else to describe it

i townread people who think like me, which is what happened there wrt umlaut

that's also the reason why i think it's odd you have scumreads on people i'm scumreading, but also scumread me ya feel?

[Grumpy Cat]

Hmm ok

I think I've scumread Taly for similar tonal reasons and he was town

I like this better rn VOTE: imusername

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: Umlaut

[Green Crayons]

His Ico vote is scummy.

[iamausername]

i was definitely intending to post more than just the one time yesterday, but i let things get away from me a bit and now it's been a whole day oops. there's probably a lot that needs addressing. i might address some of it i guess. we'll start here:

are you able to expand on what you're Vibing about umlaut's posts? (Assuming you're treating vibing as an explicit town indicator)

so one of the things that distracted me yesterday was that i'd been thinking about Umlaut's 277 where he asked if anyone had looked at town draft picks in other iterations of the setup to compare to Hoopla's observations of scum draft picks, and i thought "that's a good point" and then i thought "eh, how long could it take".

Spoiler: NUMBERS

it took a little while. i don't know if i have exactly the same list of games Hoopla did; i went through the ones listed in the history section of this setup's wiki page, minus the one Hoopla mentioned where the mod didn't give scum pregame chat and these are my findings:

town picked:
1: 21 times (13.64% of total, compared to 19.05% of total scum)
2: 18 times (11.69% of total, compared to 7.14% of total scum)
3: 14 times (9.09% of total, compared to 9.52% of total scum)
4: 31 times (20.13% of total, compared to 7.14% of total scum)
5: 11 times (7.14% of total, compared to 9.52% of total scum)
6: 13 times (8.44% of total, compared to 9.52% of total scum)
7: 11 times (7.14% of total, compared to 2.38% of total scum)
8: 8 times (5.19% of total, compared to 4.76% of total scum)
9: 4 times (2.60% of total, compared to 2.38% of total scum)
10: 6 times (3.90% of total, compared to 4.76% of total scum)
11: 3 times (1.95% of total, compared to 2.38% of total scum)
12: 5 times (7.14% of total, compared to 2.38% of total scum)
13: 2 times (1.30% of total, compared to 2.38% of total scum)
15: 1 time (0.65% of total, compared to 2.38% of total scum)
16, 17, 19, 22, 30 & 9002: 1 time each (0.65% of total, compared to 0% of total scum)

scum also picked 18, 20, 22, 42 twice and 413, none of which were ever picked by town.

1 seems to be a significantly more likely scum pick, while 2 and 4 seem to be more likely town picks. any other pick is extremely null. mostly i think this supports Hoopla's plan to townblock the tripled up 4s in this game, though of course i would say that etc etc.

anyway, that's a huge tangent from the original question. Umlaut seems to be picking up on a lot of the same things i am, and he keeps posting extremely relatable content like this:

Spoiler: Umlaut posts

this game is well beyond what I consider the sweet spot of activity and I tend to react the same way Clover says he is reacting (by just mindlessly scrolling through and then realizing I haven't actually read anything) unless I actively force myself to slog through, which is hard to do for something that is ultimately supposed to be a recreational activity

More talking about herself than talking about other players which is what town should be more interested in doing.

I mean like I could make up some fresh hot takes to impress everyone with my original and unique perspective but overall I think it's probably better to just say what I actually think instead.

this last one in particular is, as i believe the kids are saying these days, A Mood.

Do you have a strong grasp of her non-mechanical playstyle? / Outside of non-manipulative data analysis how do you feel about her game related content?

i don't feel like i have a

strong

grasp on anyone's playstyle (even my own). but i have more of a grasp on Hoopla than most of the playerlist i guess.

i expect Hoopla to seem town regardless of alignment, but even bearing that in mind, i enjoyed 472 and 474 immensely and they also send good vibes out to me.

could you talk to me about how you feel about the cat? I'm literally in their pocket whether they want me to be or not

i really liked the observation about Ico in 530. especially following on from 519, feels like an organic progression from "Ico seems scummy but i don't know why" --> *looks for reasons* --> "aha! a contradiction!", where i'd expect scum to jump straight to the last step if they saw something contradictory they could push. that pushes them into my townreads.

[iamausername]

let me check the post count real quick

…

second highest post count

…

not interested in this game?

i really hate this post

not sure if it's scummy, but i sure hate it.
"you don't seem that interested in this game"
"EXCUSE ME i think you'll find i have spammed more Star Wars gifs than anybody else CHECKMATE ATHETITS"

~yours sincerely,
guy who maintains a roughly equal post count to the mod in every one of his games

[iamausername]

This seems soooooo contrived after ico and cat called you out booooooo.

feels like you would have deemed literally any post i made there as 'contrived'. as if the very act of being called out renders anything i say as a flailing attempt to placate the ravenous hordes, as opposed to what it was, which was, you know, answering a question that someone asked me in the thread.

I have an issue that I have a too many scum reads this game, which usually doesn't happen to me

besides me, who else is in your enormous pile of scum reads?

[Umlaut]

Okay, Username is either town or going out of his way to pocket me (which is working if so)

[Umlaut]

Actually I unironically like the Iconeum wagon, 530 kind of sold me on it and I feel pretty good about both Grumpy and Hoopla for town (GC I'm more eh about but not explicitly scumreading)

VOTE: Iconeum

that 530 is extremely wrong, which i already explained so i'm very much pinged that you are not even talking about my counter to it

VOTE: umlaut

That post is weird for another reason too actually. Umlaut says he likes me for town, but then clarifies he's eh on me but isn't "explicitly scumreading" me. Why does he clarify he's not scumreading me if he just said he liked me for town? Seems like a weird disconnect.

GC there is Green Crayons, didn't notice it was ambiguous until I saw this reply

[Umlaut]

Actually I unironically like the Iconeum wagon, 530 kind of sold me on it and I feel pretty good about both Grumpy and Hoopla for town (GC I'm more eh about but not explicitly scumreading)

VOTE: Iconeum

that 530 is extremely wrong, which i already explained so i'm very much pinged that you are not even talking about my counter to it

VOTE: umlaut

Where did you do this? I'm looking for the explanation and can't find it.

[Datisi]

anyway, that's a huge tangent from the original question. Umlaut seems to be picking up on a lot of the same things i am, and he keeps posting extremely relatable content like this:

Spoiler: Umlaut posts

this game is well beyond what I consider the sweet spot of activity and I tend to react the same way Clover says he is reacting (by just mindlessly scrolling through and then realizing I haven't actually read anything) unless I actively force myself to slog through, which is hard to do for something that is ultimately supposed to be a recreational activity

More talking about herself than talking about other players which is what town should be more interested in doing.

I mean like I could make up some fresh hot takes to impress everyone with my original and unique perspective but overall I think it's probably better to just say what I actually think instead.

this last one in particular is, as i believe the kids are saying these days, A Mood.

can you talk about this a bit more? like, is he picking up on things that you agree on that are game-content-related, not just "relatable"? because the first quote is complaining about the game speed, and the last one is complaining about the "dullness" of it (or the ability to make things up for townpoints? anyway), which i don't exactly take to be AI?

[Datisi]

Where did you do this? I'm looking for the explanation and can't find it.

536, 540.

[Umlaut]

Call me dense but I don't see how 536 rebuts Grumpy's point at all. I guess Icon is saying it's voting Gypyx again

because

of no new posts in the interim? It's possible but it just doesn't seem like a good reason to me. Not a lot of time has passed in this game at all so voting someone for "low activity" just because they're not constantly here spam posting is really a bad take.

540 I just don't think matters that much, of course it had

some

reason in mind for voting so demonstrating that doesn't make you town.

[Marquis]

Hi can someone give me a summary of like everything

Ill be back when im off work and decaffeinated

[Grumpy Cat]

VOTE: Marquis

No pressure <3

[davesaz]

Was my vote on Green missed? Ah well, I don't mind joining this
VOTE: Dr Dolittle

Ah, I tend to scan near the left margin. Fixed

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count 1.6

Umlaut(3) - Iconeum, Datisi, Green Crayons
Iconeum(2) - Hoopla, Umlaut
Dr Dolittle(2) - iamausername, Clover Ebi
Datisi(2) - the worst, word321
Gypyx(1) - Marquis
Something_Smart(1) - Gypyx
iamausername(1) - DrDolittle
Marquis(1) - Grumpy Cat

Not Voting(1) - Something_Smart
With 14 alive, elimination requires 8 votes

Day ends in (expired on 2020-09-13 23:00:00)

Mod notes: Iconeum is V/LA until 9/8

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Marquis

No pressure <3

Any reasons for that vote other than pressure?

[Grumpy Cat]

But I said no pressure so it's the opposite

Scumslip?