Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[EchoVision]

hi thanks for page top ryan i appreciate you posting a few times so i can get it

i’m ryan if you didn’t know

love, ryan

[PlusJOYED]

Regardless of either shelly gaslighting me or me being freaking crazy apparently, I'm a lil disappointed that froster backed off. 72o looked pretty scummy to me for reasons stated, so I wanted to put pressure on them to see their reaction. I'm not looking to quickhammer anyone here yet, as I stated from the begining. I just want to hunt scum and I feel like I'm being misconstrued here.

My prior readlist still stands.

This is more town but I still stand by my statement that plusjoy is sheeping

it's not more town it's more "i fucked up but i didn't realize it till that sexy hunk of man named echovision pointed it out damn fuck gotta cover my ass"

AHAHA I just skimmed thru the last few pages after a quick brain cool down and lol sExY hUnK oF mAn. The whole shelly, plus, and 72 thing i'm not too sure how to feel. echo can I get an opinion on this? I feel like out of the 3, there's definitely one mafia but that's just my gut telling me the probability of that is pretty high and all three r sus but some more so is all. Like I think 72 is the most sus, shelly has basically gone around and said everyone's sus at this point. Plus I feel like I townread but its possible he's mafia.

plus is scum, 72 is town, shelly is just a fever dream

i’ve pointed out a few issues w plus, like putting 72 at L-1 then acting like nothing happened
he’s still kinda tunneling 72 but isn’t voting him bc i called him out when he was
his push was “yeah it’s kinda scummy let’s pressure it” iirc and now he’s not pressuring it smh

my vote is still on 72o, always has been. try again

[Noraa]

I thought u were the one that said u liked tunneling echo?

[shellyc]

plus is scum, 72 is town, shelly is just a fever dream

wtf how am I a fever dream

[shellyc]

Since newbie 2023 ended imma use it for meta reference

PlusJoy is more image focused here, I'd say they're trying to look town without actually having town motives.

My vote stays on PlusJoy. Putting 72offsuit at L-1 without announcing it still sticks.

[shellyc]

In case he comes back before the replacement comes, my opinion on him is that he seems to have similar reads to me which is a noobtell imo(if noobtell's even a word) He seemed to be sheeping other people which was something someone can't remember who pointed out. I personally thought he wasn't sheeping anyone bc he was only here for like the first 2 days or something and everything a lil sus there everyone's gonna notice immediately. So I thought that everyone having similar reads during that period of time was acceptable. Basically I wrote a whole paragraph which can be summarized as I townread him.

Sheeping is a scumtell to me. In my first ever scumgame I sheeped players for the majority of things I said and got a win

[Sirius9121]

VOTE: Plusjoyed

idc

[Sirius9121]

shell seems t be srsly solving
plus isnt

[Noraa]

shell seems t be srsly solving
plus isnt

Sirius I want to hear your take on this game. you haven't been posting much so I find it unfair that I can't bring myself to scumread u which results in me only being able to scumread other people that have been talking more when u could be scum choosing to watch town rip itself apart.

[shellyc]

Sirius I want to hear your take on this game. you haven't been posting much so I find it unfair that I can't bring myself to scumread u which results in me only being able to scumread other people that have been talking more when u could be scum choosing to watch town rip itself apart.

LAMIST-ing by asking lurkers to talk?

I'm a very paranoid person.

[shellyc]

idc

why would you not care about the elimination?

this is indicative of scum motives

[Noraa]

Sirius I want to hear your take on this game. you haven't been posting much so I find it unfair that I can't bring myself to scumread u which results in me only being able to scumread other people that have been talking more when u could be scum choosing to watch town rip itself apart.

LAMIST-ing by asking lurkers to talk?

I'm a very paranoid person.

noticed

[PlusJOYED]

Since newbie 2023 ended imma use it for meta reference

PlusJoy is more image focused here, I'd say they're trying to look town without actually having town motives.

My vote stays on PlusJoy. Putting 72offsuit at L-1 without announcing it still sticks.

Maybe that's because last game I got elimed the same day I replaced in as VT, so this game I wanted to focus on my image so I don't get elimed while trying to solve. Wtf do you want me to do? I'm scum no matter what? I'm doomed to die asap no matter what? I feel like I'm damned if I do damned if I don't here.

I'm trying to solve best I can, I'm still new to this game. I'm committing to my reads until I otherwise get new information.

Speaking of last game, shelly to me is playing exactly the same as before in their scumgame. Not voting out of the ordinary, not trying to solve much, just agreeing with other players. I'm not seeing any discrepancy in your play thus far and since the game is so recent that's sus to me.

[EchoVision]

you right never mind you’re still voting 72 that’s my bad

i remembered two unvotes on 72, frogster and one other; i thought it was you but i was wrong it was shelly

that’s my b sorry boo bear

i didn’t say i

like

tunneling, i said you have to be careful calling tunneling a lock scum tell in the newbie queue
i still think it’s sus, especially in the situation i said but the situation i said was wrong so that’s my bad

[Noraa]

ah gotchu and also lol poor plus. I still want sirius' opinion tho

[shellyc]

Speaking of last game, shelly to me is playing exactly the same as before in their scumgame. Not voting out of the ordinary, not trying to solve much, just agreeing with other players. I'm not seeing any discrepancy in your play thus far and since the game is so recent that's sus to me.

I single-handedly pushed you. I'm not agreeing with other people - I pushed and questioned you, 72offsuit and Noraa myself.

[shellyc]

Who's the partner?

Who told you to use AtE in your PT

[PlusJOYED]

gonna take a break and try to calm down.

It feels like I'm the only one trying to push the game forward and shelly is just copying what I say and projecting it onto me and the town is buying it. You weren't the first person to vote me, don't lie to me. It's getting to a point where I don't think I can work together with a town!shelly to solve anymore. I'm starting to think they are so worried about getting elimed they want to copy what echo and others have said and shift towards me to survive.

[shellyc]

Take a deep breath, then scream for help in your PT.

First you sheep almost all of my case towards 72offsuit. Town, look at 193 then 207. It's obvious PlusJoy is hard sheeping me here, not making any effort to solve.
207 says "yeah idk"

AGREEING

with me. then PlusJoy says a bunch of IIoA. I don't want to hear you spitting mafia theory at me. 208 basically sheeps the part where I SR them.

Then 225

continues to sheep my 72offsuit SR.

Instead of exploring other worlds or solves.
"logic doesn't make sense" - plusjoy in 225
"flawed logic" - me in 193

240 says that they have been "mostly independent" wtf PlusJoy after reading your ISO thrice I just

don't see

where you express original thoughts.

241 states I am town because of

gut feeling

. I feel this is a very unwarranted TR and most likely a pocket. then 243 encourages lurkers to talk which is a form of LAMIST - thats very easy towncred.

Then 254 continuedly puts 72offsuit as scum (as I said), still putting me as town, putting echo as town, and lurkers at scumlean

This game is not a game of "

get the lurkers to talk

". it's a game of finding the mafia and kicking them. Lurkers will get replaced. I don't get the heavy SR lean on the lurkers. This is probably finding filler SRs.

One thing I'd like to point out is 207 first puts 72offsuit as scum, but the vote only comes in 254. Why didn't you put a vote down earlier?

Votes aren't matching up with actions

; another scumtell

256 doesn't show town motives at all. Hey, our job is to

find scum, not obvtown

. Scum could try and look town as well; it doesn't help.

271

blatantly pockets

echo again. The quite unwarranted TR of echo rings a bell to my pocketing in the scumgame i just played

Then you put 72offsuit at L-1 without announcing it.

What?!

then you claim it as a "mistake". So basically your thought process is "wait till votes pile on them and lightly SR them until the chance to put at L-1 comes"

300 starts AtEing and

deflecting towards me

. I never sheeped anyone. I know I wasn't the first to vote you; doesn't mean I sheep. Very flawed logic.

332 SRs the lurking people AGAIN. LURKERS GET REPLACED. yes talking is beneficial but replacements exist

340 attempts to pocket Noraa. Now I'd like to point this out: basically plusjoy has TR everyone except the lurkers and 72offsuit, which

doesn't help

. if we flip the lurkers and they are red we don't get associative tells.

363 is AtEing towards Noraa. it's obvious Noraa is firmly in your pocket

386

pivots on the 72offsuit SR.

have no idea why you arbitrarily decide to pivot. So your only SRs are the lurkers at this point? Yeah sirius isn't being helpful but policy elims often benefit scum. imo scum!sirius doesn't play jester like

390 suggests TvT with me and you which doesn't make sense frankly. it's almost surely

TvS

and you're the scum.

393 backtracks on the lurker scumreads. SO YOU HAVE

NO SCUMREADS

NOW WTF PLUSJOY? then scum!plusjoy probs realises this and arbitrarily adds a 72 SR but you listed them as "could be town" in 386

401 susses frogster as the 72 partner, BUT 409 says slight TR frogster

8 posts later

. that's a very, very illogical leap.

414 what?? AtEing me now woah you can cut down the AtEs next time as scum

415 is very

image conscious

- you either put me there if you think im scum or don't put me there if you think im town. "probably die" why be afraid of nightkills? and if you're town there's no reason to fear a mislim either

437 meta-SRs me despite stating that they don't like using meta earlier. probably trying to secure a mislim with me at L-2 here

So basically PlusJoy's ISO looks very, very scummy here. My vote stays on them and I urge y'all townies to look in the mirror and realise how scummy this man is.

I don't care about your "sheeping" case on me because I ain't sheeping. My townieness will shine through penultimately and you can flip red.

[shellyc]

sorry for the huge wall btw but I need to make this a point. PlusJoy looks awful and we need to powereliminate them today.

[72offsuit]

Im. Here. Apologies for the absence. Work has been full on.

[72offsuit]

Ive read tge thread on mobile, scribbled down notes.
Basically:
Plus is a huge scumread.
Was getting townier vibes on shelly, until the posts 400 and 401 being exactly the same format - looks like copy paste from scum PT.
Will type up my notes tomorrow. 1141pm.

[shellyc]

have no idea why plusJoy decided to copy my post word for word in 400 and 401.

so now you pivot on your SR on me? because of my wall case or what

[PlusJOYED]

have no idea why plusJoy decided to copy my post word for word in 400 and 401.

so now you pivot on your SR on me? because of my wall case or what

I've be SR in every game I've ever been in.Wanting stuff to happen is apparently scum I guess.
400 and 401 was a joke.

[shellyc]

Look at the wall and tell me why you're not scum, because I strongly think you are.

447 was directed towards 72offsuit.