Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[72offsuit]

(I was reading that post-game and word's post made me think of your slot)

[72offsuit]

woo! post #500

[shellyc]

*SE-hat on*

@ Shelly, I think this post is something you would benefit from reading through and mulling over if you are town:

It's by word321 in newbie game 2022 in post-game feedback that succinctly articulates what I think of your slot this game

As for the feedback, I think that Ive already said everything I could say to the scum team on the last day, I guess; nothing else comes to mind
And for the rest, Id say to have an eye on objectives behind actions, or try to guess what ppl r trying to acomplish, more than direct "tells" like acting like scum; scum actively tries to play like town; what differs is in the intention behind actions more than actions.
Oc, take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I hope it helps a lil bit at least.

yeah ok thanks I get how you want me to look at objectives instead of actions

[shellyc]

like your case a lot actually. probably need more practice at ISO-diving and casing in the future. I like how you reference mindset as I didn't take that into consideration when casing

[72offsuit]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

[shellyc]

What's wrong with thinking every post is AI though?

[Noraa]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

inaccurate statement. she used to be at like E-2 or something. half the town would have to be scum for that statement to be true

[72offsuit]

I'm really struggling to get over posts 400 and 401 though.

I can understand both posting similar thoughts, but WORD FOR WORD AND FORMATTING literally verbatim is disturbing. There are like 20 ways the 2 posts could differ, from the order of 72/frog vs frog/72, to punctuation

[shellyc]

Nice pocket 72offsuit. I will not give you townpoints for TRing me yet.

[Noraa]

uh plus said it was a joke or something

[shellyc]

400 and 401 was a joke.

not my fault

[72offsuit]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

inaccurate statement. she used to be at like E-2 or something. half the town would have to be scum for that statement to be true

K-2 is 3 players

[72offsuit]

uh plus said it was a joke or something

OK I must've missed that

[Noraa]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

inaccurate statement. she used to be at like E-2 or something. half the town would have to be scum for that statement to be true

K-2 is 3 players

nvm I'm stupid. pretend I didn't say anything and no I'm not failing math

[72offsuit]

Nice pocket 72offsuit. I will not give you townpoints for TRing me yet.

Do you really think !scumMe tries to pocket you after pushing you? How effective do you think this would be on any given player?

[shellyc]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

inaccurate statement. she used to be at like E-2 or something. half the town would have to be scum for that statement to be true

The votes on my are 72offsuit (who I still lean scum-ish on), Nikahang (who is getting replaced) and Sceptorus (who is still RVS-ing me)

[shellyc]

Do you really think !scumMe tries to pocket you after pushing you? How effective do you think this would be on any given player?

Early game pushes me for being paranoid and defensive which I do even as town. READ NEWBIE 2025
Then pockets me because I SR everyone who SRs me and scum!you gets a townpass from me easily

[72offsuit]

Spoiler:

Take a deep breath, then scream for help in your PT.

First you sheep almost all of my case towards 72offsuit. Town, look at 193 then 207. It's obvious PlusJoy is hard sheeping me here, not making any effort to solve.
207 says "yeah idk"

AGREEING

with me. then PlusJoy says a bunch of IIoA. I don't want to hear you spitting mafia theory at me. 208 basically sheeps the part where I SR them.

Then 225

continues to sheep my 72offsuit SR.

Instead of exploring other worlds or solves.
"logic doesn't make sense" - plusjoy in 225
"flawed logic" - me in 193

240 says that they have been "mostly independent" wtf PlusJoy after reading your ISO thrice I just

don't see

where you express original thoughts.

241 states I am town because of

gut feeling

. I feel this is a very unwarranted TR and most likely a pocket. then 243 encourages lurkers to talk which is a form of LAMIST - thats very easy towncred.

Then 254 continuedly puts 72offsuit as scum (as I said), still putting me as town, putting echo as town, and lurkers at scumlean

This game is not a game of "

get the lurkers to talk

". it's a game of finding the mafia and kicking them. Lurkers will get replaced. I don't get the heavy SR lean on the lurkers. This is probably finding filler SRs.

One thing I'd like to point out is 207 first puts 72offsuit as scum, but the vote only comes in 254. Why didn't you put a vote down earlier?

Votes aren't matching up with actions

; another scumtell

256 doesn't show town motives at all. Hey, our job is to

find scum, not obvtown

. Scum could try and look town as well; it doesn't help.

271

blatantly pockets

echo again. The quite unwarranted TR of echo rings a bell to my pocketing in the scumgame i just played

Then you put 72offsuit at L-1 without announcing it.

What?!

then you claim it as a "mistake". So basically your thought process is "wait till votes pile on them and lightly SR them until the chance to put at L-1 comes"

300 starts AtEing and

deflecting towards me

. I never sheeped anyone. I know I wasn't the first to vote you; doesn't mean I sheep. Very flawed logic.

332 SRs the lurking people AGAIN. LURKERS GET REPLACED. yes talking is beneficial but replacements exist

340 attempts to pocket Noraa. Now I'd like to point this out: basically plusjoy has TR everyone except the lurkers and 72offsuit, which

doesn't help

. if we flip the lurkers and they are red we don't get associative tells.

363 is AtEing towards Noraa. it's obvious Noraa is firmly in your pocket

386

pivots on the 72offsuit SR.

have no idea why you arbitrarily decide to pivot. So your only SRs are the lurkers at this point? Yeah sirius isn't being helpful but policy elims often benefit scum. imo scum!sirius doesn't play jester like

390 suggests TvT with me and you which doesn't make sense frankly. it's almost surely

TvS

and you're the scum.

393 backtracks on the lurker scumreads. SO YOU HAVE

NO SCUMREADS

NOW WTF PLUSJOY? then scum!plusjoy probs realises this and arbitrarily adds a 72 SR but you listed them as "could be town" in 386

401 susses frogster as the 72 partner, BUT 409 says slight TR frogster

8 posts later

. that's a very, very illogical leap.

414 what?? AtEing me now woah you can cut down the AtEs next time as scum

415 is very

image conscious

- you either put me there if you think im scum or don't put me there if you think im town. "probably die" why be afraid of nightkills? and if you're town there's no reason to fear a mislim either

437 meta-SRs me despite stating that they don't like using meta earlier. probably trying to secure a mislim with me at L-2 here

So basically PlusJoy's ISO looks very, very scummy here. My vote stays on them and I urge y'all townies to look in the mirror and realise how scummy this man is.

I don't care about your "sheeping" case on me because I ain't sheeping. My townieness will shine through penultimately and you can flip red.

I do like you points here. It basically reflects what I see as Plus' inconsistency with what he is saying and what he is doing/voting/where he is directing his posts towards.

[72offsuit]

Do you really think !scumMe tries to pocket you after pushing you? How effective do you think this would be on any given player?

Early game pushes me for being paranoid and defensive which I do even as town. READ NEWBIE 2025
Then pockets me because I SR everyone who SRs me and scum!you gets a townpass from me easily

I ignore self meta. I find it a waste of time.
!townyou points me towards posts/games in which you are town and have similar posts/behaviour to this game.
!scumyou points me towards posts/games in which you are town and have similar posts/behaviour to this game.

[Noraa]

its seems many people are finding plus very sus which leads me to start questioning my read on the game. I'm going to go thru all the posts shelly mentioned and see if I really have been too biased in my read.

[shellyc]

I think plus AtE'd you at one point you said "poor plusjoy" when they said they were often SR

[Noraa]

I think plus AtE'd you at one point you said "poor plusjoy" when they said they were often SR

can't remember but that may be correct yes

[Sirius9121]

HOLD TF UP
sirius is an se?!

Here I cleaned it up:
----
Town Experienced: shelly, 720, PLUS, Echo

Town Inexperienced: Noraa

Null:

Nikahang, Sceptorus, Sirius

----
I'm mostly interested in voting the player's names who in the null category because they've done the least for town and are easiest for the mafia to hide in. Nikahang and Sirius are also arguably being anti town.

I mentioned this before, but sirius is a Se slot, which makes it all the more odd to me.

tf no
fuck no
I'm not se

[Sirius9121]

*SE-hat on*

@ Shelly, I think this post is something you would benefit from reading through and mulling over if you are town:

It's by word321 in newbie game 2022 in post-game feedback that succinctly articulates what I think of your slot this game

As for the feedback, I think that Ive already said everything I could say to the scum team on the last day, I guess; nothing else comes to mind
And for the rest, Id say to have an eye on objectives behind actions, or try to guess what ppl r trying to acomplish, more than direct "tells" like acting like scum; scum actively tries to play like town; what differs is in the intention behind actions more than actions.
Oc, take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I hope it helps a lil bit at least.

I was in 2022. shelly no 2022 player?

[PlusJOYED]

Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there, even if you don't celebrate Father's Day today!

my guy is on the mars timezone lol