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[Nahdia]

Redados was killed during Night 2. He was a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 3.00

Not Voting (5):

LavarManos, ItalianoVD, Casey, Fredrick A Campbell, Frogsterking

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2020-09-12 19:00:00), at which point we will default to no elimination.

With five players alive, it takes

three

to reach majority.

[Frogsterking]

I'm the town tracker, both of my reports are dead. I suggest not voting if you're town because with three to eliminate it gives the mafia the chance to quick hammer.

[Frogsterking]

I'm assuming that school might have started recently for one or two of you guys?

[Frogsterking]

I breadcrumbed twice for anyone who cares.

[Frogsterking]

A little one on each day, I wasn't trying to get night killed now.

I also think you were most active at the beginning of the daystart because you were the one to hammer the night action.

Tracker follows the one who hammers the night action.

Here's a useful resource I found for the mechanics of the setup. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=83092

I think the sample size is too small but it provides material worth speculating on.

It appears that scum newbies have the most difficult time handling this setup out of any group, which seems logical.

It appears that configurations in the A and B groups are heavily town sided (with A2 and B3 as exceptions presenting poor results for town but also an even smaller sample size) and the C group appears more balanced than townsided.

The average length of real life time for games that ended on D2 was 15.9 days I believe.

Also, Shelly, I am just copying and pasting the links from the address bar at the top of the web browser to the box I'm typing in.

A2 and B3 both have the Tracker.

[Frogsterking]

I'm so drunk right now guys.

[Frogsterking]

I'm assuming that school might have started recently for one or two of you guys?

By one or two of you guys I mean Lavar, hence the end of D2 lurking.

[Frogsterking]

I'm assuming that school might have started recently for one or two of you guys?

By one or two of you guys I mean Lavar, hence the end of D2 lurking.

Also I may or may not have meant the scum team, who are about to get schooled.

[LavarManos]

Tracker follows the one who hammers the night action.

What does this mean?

I am not scum. Also, Redados sent me his Friendly Neighbor message N1.
I will reconsider my reads, but the scumteam might just be Casey and Fred? Idk

[Frogsterking]

Tracker follows the one who hammers the night action.

What does this mean?

I am not scum. Also, Redados sent me his Friendly Neighbor message N1.
I will reconsider my reads, but the scumteam might just be Casey and Fred? Idk

It was just a breadcrumb.

[Casey]

I don't know any more.

Italiano / Fred?

[Casey]

Lavar has literally no major interactions with anyone but Frog.

[Casey]

Organizing Fred thoughts.

Interaction with Italiano:

...

@Frederick: welcome to the game.

Thank you.

I’m not liking shelly’s responses to Frederick. Seems unnecessarily hostile and defensive. Does this qualify as a good enough read?

In my opinion, the observation is accurate. However, I don't think it necessarily means she is a mafioso, just an egotistical person. shellyc, describing you as egotistical is not meant as an insult, but just a description.

Actually, looking at the player list, it seems that I have a minor townread on everyone except for shellyc and rocknil.

So are you gonna vote for them?

I don't see the point.

As far as I was concerned, my vote didn't matter. The person we were going to execute was going to be shellyc and I was convinced by MUSHSHAGANA that it was not a good idea to suggest an alternative execution, which, as it happens I didn't have. Although my scumread on shellyc waned later, I still thought it was not a good idea to make that public, for I had no alternative execution.

As for why I didn't hammer shellyc, I trusted MUSHSHAGANA to do it, as she said she would switch her vote over anytime but wanted to let others put their thoughts out.

What is YOUR thought on everyone’s scumread of you. At the moment the only thing I have on you is not voting and well that’s practically nothing.

Firstly, I believe only Redados, you and rocknil have expressed a scumread on me, though I may discover some other player were also scumreading me while rereading parts of the thread. In my opinion, Redados' and your scumread of me appears genuine as both of you appear to believe that my not voting was indicative that I am scum and rocknil's scumread of me also appears to be plausibly genuine.

Right now, I don't have any townreads or scumreads and believe that some townreads and scumreads that I gathered during the night phase and before were inaccurate.

@Frederick: what do you think about the Mush kill?

I think nothing of it.

All of Fred's posts to Italiano feel... standoffish. Like I'm feeling a "leave me alone" vibe from Fred.

This curious gem started the Fred v. Frog war:

Why are you voting rocknil instead of me though and why do you think we are scum together? Do you really think I would choose to attack him, but have him completely ignore my presence?

VOTE: LavarManos

Why did you decide to switch to LavarManos after he/she questioned you?

Prodding Italiano on the push for Frog:

Thank you for doing that effort. How much value do you place on kill analysis?

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Since you townread Frogsterking, what do you have to say about my scumread on Frogsterking.

The scumread isn't over your obsession of the night kill. It is over your obsession of what others think of the night kill.

So he shouldn’t ask what people think about what's going in the game? This is a weird statement.

The issue isn't that he asked. The issue is what I think his intention of asking was, which was to ascertain if it was necessary to nudge everyone towards the conclusion intended by him to be drawn from the nightkill.

In conclusion, my current scumread on Frogsterking is over his obsession of what everyone thinks of the nightkill, while my reason for scumreading Frogsterking when I made the post you quoted was for post 640 and my very first suspicions on Frogsterking was because of his obsession over the nightkill.

I'll agree in the very least that the things Frog has said outside of analyses and theory don't sit well with me.

I don’t get 640. So because he said welcome to “town” instead of game, that’s suspicious? And what has he done?

There are several other things that have made me suspicious. I am detailing them in a post I am writing.

759 may also be of interest

[Casey]

Just skimming through Italiano's ISO, I can

feel

he's far more engaged in the game than the other two.

This post worries me though for its blatant defense of Fred:

I’ve gone back over Day 1 and I’m still not seeing the early universal scumread of Frederick. I will admit as the Day went on he appeared more nonchalant and apathetic, but I’ve seen townies play and act this way. I’m still slightly townreading Frederick.

Another scumteam I do not find likely would be Fredrick and Frogsterking. I don't think that interaction earlier today looks fake.
Perhaps the scumteam is (Frogster, rocknil)? I am not sure.

You initially scumread Frederick and you don’t now. What happened or what did he do that has made you think otherwise? Or was it something someone said?

.
I guess I'm curious what everyone else has to say about the night kill?

I think Mush was killed to try and frame Frederick. I don’t know, that’s what it seems like to me. The other possibility is that Frederick did want Mush to die. I don’t see it because it seems too obvious, but I guess it’s something that wouldn’t be smart for me to overlook.

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

Are you saying you still think rocknil is scum? Just not with Frederick?

In Day 1, I pushed hard for shellyc. I thought there was something tangible there but I was wrong. I don't blame you for scumreading me. But you are wrong. I am now going over the thread to find the scum team. I have this feeling that I've missed something.

Hey, I know shelly being townie threw me off, so going back through makes sense, unless of course you’re just doing it because you know that’s what town would do.

...

Thank you for doing that effort. How much value do you place on kill analysis?

@Italiano: I still wanna know who you think is maf.

I don’t solve for partners so if you want me to try to solve the game that way then you’re gonna be disappointed. I think scum is somewhere within rock, Lavar and you/MagikHorse. I’d be okay eliminating

As I’ve stated already, Redados, Frederick, and somewhat Frogsterking are in my no lynch pool

Sigh.

[Casey]

I don't know. Someone else talk for a bit. I need sleep.

[ItalianoVD]

Well that wasn’t surprising, I figured it’d be me or Redados to get killed. Rocknil is a little surprising.

I’ve done my reading though. I’ve actually read 759 many times over and it’s still confusing to follow.

@Frederick: So are you saying you initially scumread Frogster for his obsession over what people thought of the nightkill and then 640 solidified your scumread or vice versa?

[ItalianoVD]

I'm the town tracker, both of my reports are dead. I suggest not voting if you're town because with three to eliminate it gives the mafia the chance to quick hammer.

If this is true then Frogster is the only one I believe I can trust. Everyone else gets the heisman.

[ItalianoVD]

I don't know any more.

Italiano / Fred?

What was this in response to?

[ItalianoVD]

Just skimming through Italiano's ISO, I can

feel

he's far more engaged in the game than the other two.

This post worries me though for its blatant defense of Fred:

Spoiler:

I’ve gone back over Day 1 and I’m still not seeing the early universal scumread of Frederick. I will admit as the Day went on he appeared more nonchalant and apathetic, but I’ve seen townies play and act this way. I’m still slightly townreading Frederick.

Another scumteam I do not find likely would be Fredrick and Frogsterking. I don't think that interaction earlier today looks fake.
Perhaps the scumteam is (Frogster, rocknil)? I am not sure.

You initially scumread Frederick and you don’t now. What happened or what did he do that has made you think otherwise? Or was it something someone said?

.
I guess I'm curious what everyone else has to say about the night kill?

I think Mush was killed to try and frame Frederick. I don’t know, that’s what it seems like to me. The other possibility is that Frederick did want Mush to die. I don’t see it because it seems too obvious, but I guess it’s something that wouldn’t be smart for me to overlook.

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

Are you saying you still think rocknil is scum? Just not with Frederick?

In Day 1, I pushed hard for shellyc. I thought there was something tangible there but I was wrong. I don't blame you for scumreading me. But you are wrong. I am now going over the thread to find the scum team. I have this feeling that I've missed something.
Hey, I know shelly being townie threw me off, so going back through makes sense, unless of course you’re just doing it because you know that’s what town would do.

That

was

earlier. The gamestate has changed since then.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Well that wasn’t surprising, I figured it’d be me or Redados to get killed. Rocknil is a little surprising.

I’ve done my reading though. I’ve actually read 759 many times over and it’s still confusing to follow.

@Frederick: So are you saying you initially scumread Frogster for his obsession over what people thought of the nightkill and then 640 solidified your scumread or vice versa?

Actually, while that was what I was saying, I misremembered. I actually scumread Frogsterking for not seeming to attempt to solve the game, then 640 made me more suspicious. The rest of what I recounted was more recent and so I doubt I misremembered anything else.

[ItalianoVD]

Well that wasn’t surprising, I figured it’d be me or Redados to get killed. Rocknil is a little surprising.

I’ve done my reading though. I’ve actually read 759 many times over and it’s still confusing to follow.

@Frederick: So are you saying you initially scumread Frogster for his obsession over what people thought of the nightkill and then 640 solidified your scumread or vice versa?

Actually, while that was what I was saying, I misremembered. I actually scumread Frogsterking for not seeming to attempt to solve the game, then 640 made me more suspicious. The rest of what I recounted was more recent and so I doubt I misremembered anything else.

I find it strange not to remember why you scumread somebody. Like it wasn’t a real scumread to begin with.

[Casey]

I don't know any more.

Italiano / Fred?

What was this in response to?

Nothing. Just posting my thoughts as they come to me.

Just skimming through Italiano's ISO, I can

feel

he's far more engaged in the game than the other two.

This post worries me though for its blatant defense of Fred:

Spoiler:

I’ve gone back over Day 1 and I’m still not seeing the early universal scumread of Frederick. I will admit as the Day went on he appeared more nonchalant and apathetic, but I’ve seen townies play and act this way. I’m still slightly townreading Frederick.

Another scumteam I do not find likely would be Fredrick and Frogsterking. I don't think that interaction earlier today looks fake.
Perhaps the scumteam is (Frogster, rocknil)? I am not sure.

You initially scumread Frederick and you don’t now. What happened or what did he do that has made you think otherwise? Or was it something someone said?

.
I guess I'm curious what everyone else has to say about the night kill?

I think Mush was killed to try and frame Frederick. I don’t know, that’s what it seems like to me. The other possibility is that Frederick did want Mush to die. I don’t see it because it seems too obvious, but I guess it’s something that wouldn’t be smart for me to overlook.

I am still townreading Italiano and I still townread you, so I am thinking we can try to find the scumteam in the remaining pool of four players based on how they have interacted. I do not think rocknil is scum with Fredrick because there is no need to open up the day with a vote on his scumbuddy. I also do not like how rocknil chose to ignore my vote on him.

Are you saying you still think rocknil is scum? Just not with Frederick?

In Day 1, I pushed hard for shellyc. I thought there was something tangible there but I was wrong. I don't blame you for scumreading me. But you are wrong. I am now going over the thread to find the scum team. I have this feeling that I've missed something.
Hey, I know shelly being townie threw me off, so going back through makes sense, unless of course you’re just doing it because you know that’s what town would do.

That

was

earlier. The gamestate has changed since then.

That doesn't really assuage me much.

I'm trying to discount at least one pair. If I can be certain about that, then I'll have found one maf definitely.

For example...

Lavar+Fred
Lavar+Italiano
Fred+Italiano

If it's not Lavar+Italiano, then I know Fred is definitely maf.

And so on.

[Casey]

I hope I didn't break the thread.

[Casey]

Well that wasn’t surprising, I figured it’d be me or Redados to get killed. Rocknil is a little surprising.

I’ve done my reading though. I’ve actually read 759 many times over and it’s still confusing to follow.

@Frederick: So are you saying you initially scumread Frogster for his obsession over what people thought of the nightkill and then 640 solidified your scumread or vice versa?

Actually, while that was what I was saying, I misremembered. I actually scumread Frogsterking for not seeming to attempt to solve the game, then 640 made me more suspicious. The rest of what I recounted was more recent and so I doubt I misremembered anything else.

I find it strange not to remember why you scumread somebody. Like it wasn’t a real scumread to begin with.

He already said earlier he has memory issues.