Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[Mundivore]

Didn't really read the last page very well. Noraa is behaving super sus, moving Noraa up to "likely scum" in my reads.

[Sirius9121]

Fuck.
I am the town friendly neighbor.

dude next game don't claim TFN as scum

I'm YOUR TOWN DOCTOR EVERYONE

Guys plusjoy outed scum here

I’m the doctor and doctor is impossible to be paired with a TFN

Hammer this right now

Oh nice, a scum admitted themselves

Huh not sure who's scum here. I have a slight tr on shelly rn and a very shaky read on plus. So I'm thinking this short convo means that it's not TvT but I can't tell who's scum

A definite Scum&Town

[Noraa]

I'm quite Sus of Sirius just because of behavior, running around like VI and then lurking about and changing vote to whoever seems like the next active lynch target just feels super scummy to me. The fact that Plus is scum and JOYED scumread them doesn't even make me think that they're less scummy. If I were scum and I saw my partner acting like that, I'd scumread them to hell and back. The way Sirius is acting is going to get them lynched eventually, and if I knew they were scum I'd want to get ahead of that. Then again, if Sirius were town then I'd also want to try to get the free lynch in. If shelly is doctor, that means we have either cop or tracker. I'd say Sirius is an excellent target for them tonight.
I'd be down to kill JOYED. I've seen enough that I'm confident he's scum. However, I'm not going to vote yet, I'm waiting until everyone's satisfied with the body of analysis and willing to kill.

PlusJOYED is one person. This doesn't make sense to me

[Mundivore]

Feel like JOYED/Sirius is a bit more likely than JOYED/Noraa. It'd be pretty audacious to honestly claim it was TvT as a calculated scum play, because TvT with these claims is clearly impossible. It's a lot more likely that Noraa is just actually and legitimately confused.

JOYED feeling even more obviously scum than before, fishing for town PRs. I'm tempted to throw my vote on now so there isn't any weird chicanery where the deadline passes and we don't get our scum kill. JOYED self-hammering is a real concern though. I'm just going to wait around because (a) we haven't heard from everyone yet after the counterclaim went down, and I think that still has value and (b) extending the day a bit gives our GM more time to work out that replacement. Think of it as my vote is on Plus, but with a delay.

[Mundivore]

@Noraa:

I'm just using Plus and JOYED to refer to the same person interchangeably and I haven't settled on a consistent shortening for his name.

[Noraa]

lemme be more specific. This sentence: "The fact that Plus is scum and JOYED scumread them doesn't even make me think that they're less scummy. If I were scum and I saw my partner acting like that, I'd scumread them to hell and back." doesn't make sense to me

[Mundivore]

Doesn't help that I couldn't remember Sirius' pronouns and so I went for 'they' as my pronoun for Sirius, which could be misconstrued as me using 'they' to refer to 'Plus and JOYED' as too separate people.

[PlusJOYED]

A town pr verifying me and damning shelly, will save us from eliming a townie here, which is the current trajectory. And if a pr counterclaims me and sides with shelly, when I flip green the game will be solved. Or vice versa.

[Mundivore]

If I were to rephrase it, I'd say "The fact that Plus is scum and

he

scumread

Sirius

doesn't even make me think that

Sirius is

less scummy. If I were scum and I saw my partner acting like that, I'd scumread them to hell and back."

[Noraa]

ah gotchu ok. lol settle on one of the halves of his name just do eenie meenie miny moe if u can't decide

[Noraa]

The case against PlusJOYED in the last few pages is really strong—mafia lying as doctor in order to get a lynch is about the dumbest thing you can do as scum. One free kill on a townie is usually not worth one free kill on scum in return. So either shelly is town and JOYED is scum, or it's just a bad play where shelly is scum and JOYED is town, and we take those.

Ok I must say that I hard TR shelly after reading this. There's only 2 mafia and 7 town so if she was mafia, she wouldn't out herself by cc'ing a pr that literally told everyone his role. She would've just nk'ed plus. Not to mention this pr(fn) doesn't really even seem to do anything imo. I feel like Shellys def town but as for whether or not she's really the town doctor ... idk cuz she's been really sus of plus for a very long time now.

[Noraa]

Shelly's not an SE but she's played multiple other games so I don't think she would think one mafia kill = one townie kill

[PlusJOYED]

mundivore, I'll admit I played pretty badly day 1 as town and focused too hard on obvtowning over solving. I ask that you consider town!joyed perspective here for a second.

A scum CC's your pr claim, and the town sides against you. This is all well and good, since you know when you flip friendly neighbor green shelly will be doomed. What would you do?

We have a scum right in front of us. Shellyc. Miseliming a townie is a worse outcome than the town jailkeeper or tracker revealing so that they can prove my innocence, condemning red shelly and save town and put town at a very good state.

If I was scum asking for this, I could see it for fishing prs, but at this point, the best scum play would be to either self hammer or just condemn shelly since without daychat PT my newbie scum buddy could lose us the game by fakeclaiming a pr and having shelly flip doc.

[Noraa]

My updated read:

TR: Echo, Frog, Shelly
Not sure: Plus, 72, Sceptorus(now Mundivore), Sirius
SR: Nikahang

[PlusJOYED]

I agree that shellys choice of fakeclaiming a pr here is strange though. So even if I'm miselimed here it's still decent.

[JacksonVirgo]

Redados replaces Sceptorus

[PlusJOYED]

Just promise me this town; when I flip friendly neighbor here you'll hang shelly day 2 as doc is impossible.

[Noraa]

I agree that shellys choice of fakeclaiming a pr here is strange though. So even if I'm miselimed here it's still decent.

If she is fake claiming as you say she is, that is very very strange. I cannot see why scum would do that in any case.

[Noraa]

Redados replaces Sceptorus

Hold up then who did mundivore replace?

[Mundivore]

A town pr verifying me and damning shelly, will save us from eliming a townie here, which is the current trajectory. And if a pr counterclaims me and sides with shelly, when I flip green the game will be solved. Or vice versa.

Let's say you are town. You're trying to do what, get the Town Jailkeeper to claim? Sure, that stops us from eliminating town, but now the town have no real power roles. Scum kill the Jailkeeper and your power role does nothing since you confirm yourself town. I'd rather sacrifice the TFN to prove that shelly is scum than sacrifice the Jailkeeper to prove it.

Or maybe you're trying to get the Town Tracker to claim? That's the only other option, but it's a stupid option because Tracker/TFN and Tracker/Doctor are

both valid.

And even then, a tracker is

still better

than a TFN who has already confirmed themselves town.

Besides, it's such incredibly cocky scumplay to sacrifice a scum in order to kill a TFN in a game with a tracker or a jailkeeper lurking about. They'd be exposing themselves to

one

bad night being enough to end the game for them. No way shelly is fake-claiming here. And if she

is

then it's a misplay and we take those.

[JacksonVirgo]

Redados replaces Sceptorus

Hold up then who did mundivore replace?

Nikahang

[Mundivore]

Redados replaces Sceptorus

Hold up then who did mundivore replace?

Nikaang.

[Noraa]

Ohhhhhhh dang welp lemme update my read again

TR: Echo, Frog, Shelly
Not sure: Plus, 72, Sceptorus(now Redados), Sirius
SR: Nikahang(now Mundivore)

Sorry Mundivore, Nikahang got prodded twice and posted immediately afterwards. I found that fishy so u will stay in the sr section for now

[Noraa]

A town pr verifying me and damning shelly, will save us from eliming a townie here, which is the current trajectory. And if a pr counterclaims me and sides with shelly, when I flip green the game will be solved. Or vice versa.

Let's say you are town. You're trying to do what, get the Town Jailkeeper to claim? Sure, that stops us from eliminating town, but now the town have no real power roles. Scum kill the Jailkeeper and your power role does nothing since you confirm yourself town. I'd rather sacrifice the TFN to prove that shelly is scum than sacrifice the Jailkeeper to prove it.

Or maybe you're trying to get the Town Tracker to claim? That's the only other option, but it's a stupid option because Tracker/TFN and Tracker/Doctor are

both valid.

And even then, a tracker is

still better

than a TFN who has already confirmed themselves town.

Besides, it's such incredibly cocky scumplay to sacrifice a scum in order to kill a TFN in a game with a tracker or a jailkeeper lurking about. They'd be exposing themselves to

one

bad night being enough to end the game for them. No way shelly is fake-claiming here. And if she

is

then it's a misplay and we take those.

I kinda agree here that fn seems to be the most useless role so the sacrifice would suck yes but is a smaller sacrifice then say tracker

[Mundivore]

Whoops, spelling.

Aaaannyways, Plus is superscum here. Definitely fishing to see if there's a jailkeeper IMO, b/c he's asking for a counterclaim which simply

doesn't work

if there's a tracker, but is still saying that a tracker claiming would prove his innocence.