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[PlusJOYED]

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[PlusJOYED]

I was actually planning to visit froster since they seemed townie before this went down but idk now

[Redados]

If y'all put Plus at E-1 he could self-hammer. I don't have any problems with him getting lim'd but I also do want to see 72 comment on this nonsense. Not too upset if we go for the hammer right now, but we've got a day and a bit so we aren't in a rush yet. I think we've seen enough people talk that it's pretty clear we aren't going to get a third PR claim so there's no real danger in waiting. I'm not going to plonk my vote down until we have like ~12 hours left or we finish hearing from people, whichever comes first.

That being said, there's waiting for 72's comment is basically the only reason we have to wait, and ultimately I don't think they'll get nightkilled. I won't read scum into anyone who wants to move to night yet.

Happy to see you redados, AFKs are no fun.

I've agreed with like, every single one of your posts. I agree with this one as well. Thanks for pointing out the self-vote, I was not thinking about that.

though truth be told, eliming a provable pr role is pretty dumb as town.

You or Shelly is scum. Right? Would you admit that? If you are scum, we vote you and Shelly gets nightkilled. If you are town, we flip you and vote off Shelly tomorrow.
If we vote Shelly, if she is scum, you live. If we vote her and she's town, then we vote you tomorrow. You only get to live if we vote Shelly and you are town. Right now, I believe Shelly over you, so I'm going to vote for you.

NOBODY CLAIM ANY ROLES
NOBODY HAMMER
IF YOU HAVE AN INSTINCT TO DO SOMETHING JUST DON'T DO IT[/b]

Thank you hahahaha I'll wait to vote.

[PlusJOYED]

I refuse to self hammer as a pr

[Redados]

I was actually planning to visit froster since they seemed townie before this went down but idk now

This doesn't work, buddy. If you say, " I will target frogster" and you're scum, you can just kill Frogster and say "ope he's dead oh well now I can't prove it". Or scum can kill him and frame you. Or you can just say you targeted whoever got nightkilled. So this doesn't work. We need to flip you.

[PlusJOYED]

yeah i know redados

[Frogsterking]

The sole function of TFN is to be provably town. If you're telling the truth, then this is just action economy: eliming you is using that night action on every player in the game at once

((Dear god this is a joke please read it as such))

Yeah there is a serious point in here that even if we're wrong about PLUS we did still get value out of the TFN role since it caused shelly to claim.

[PlusJOYED]

Thanks, that makes me feel better about getting elimed day 1 as a pr. Usually that's q sign of serious misplay

[Mundivore]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

[Redados]

I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

We'll lim Plus.

[Mundivore]

I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

We'll lim Plus.

lol yeah I figured. Meant that in a hypothetical sense.

[Mundivore]

The sole function of TFN is to be provably town. If you're telling the truth, then this is just action economy: eliming you is using that night action on every player in the game at once

((Dear god this is a joke please read it as such))

Yeah there is a serious point in here that even if we're wrong about PLUS we did still get value out of the TFN role since it caused shelly to claim.

A one-shot cop is a pretty decent role. Especially if it hits scum. I would trade almost

any

town PR for a plain old mafia goon. The danger here isn't trading Doctor or TFN for scum, the danger is wasting the town elim.

[Frogsterking]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

[Noraa]

Bruh we are not limming sirius here. He fucking just got replaced out that's unfair

[Frogsterking]

I think the fact that town even has this option available means the mafia definitely made a mistake about their pr claim.

[Noraa]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

[Noraa]

Ah shoot I didn't scroll all the way so my thing ended up in the quotation
My comment was:
The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

[Noraa]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

[Noraa]

Phew take three

[Frogsterking]

I'm going to reevaluate the situation leading up to the claims from a scum!shelly perspective who believes if she does not counterclaim, she will be lynched instead.

[Frogsterking]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

Which part of it won't work?

[Noraa]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

Which part of it won't work?

Theres too many if's and that gives the mafia a lot of chances to just confuse us by doing strange things

[Mundivore]

I'm actually leaning more towards sirius or froster. Froster feels kinda fake, following what people have been saying without really solving and Sirius is sirius. I'm null on 72o now atm

I could

maybe

get behind a sirius elim

if

we can agree to do it in a coordinated way.

Town agrees to nominate one person to receive TFN towny message. Shelly agrees to protect that person.

If towny nominee or Plus dies, shelly is lying and we kill.

If shelly dies, Plus is lying and we kill.

If something else happens, then we have the nominee say if they got the message or not.

If they did, shelly is lying or the nominee is lying. We kill shelly, and if shelly isn't scum then we're at worst 3 vs. 2 with a confirmed scum team of nominee + Plus and town wins the game. If shelly is scum, we're at worst at 4 vs. 1 with no confirmation.

If they didn't get message, then we kill plus and we're at worst at 4 vs. 1.

If nobody dies night 1, then scum is doubleplusstupid and PlusJOYED is lying.

That's a... decent set of outcomes. Killing scum that isn't plus on day one definitely wins the game for town.

I feel like this is more of a "bird in the hand" type of scenario, though. If we kill Plus now then we're at worst going to be at 4 vs. 1, which is more or less the same worst-case outcome we get by going with the above convoluted scheme that has so many more moving parts and points of failure. I feel like town is throwing by not limming plus here.

LMAO. This is potentially a very strong plan. If we nominate the wrong player on accident and they lie, then after we mis lynch shelly it's 5-way lylo and the scum team is confirmed.

The prob is now everyone in this game knows about this plan and all the little tricks and stuff u put in so it will no longer work....

The only way this plan doesn't work is misexecution on the town's part: I already accounted for all the possible night actions scum could take.

The thing is, giving town's record this game, I think misexecution of the plan is likely enough that we shouldn't jump on it

[Noraa]

I'm going to reevaluate the situation leading up to the claims from a scum!shelly perspective who believes if she does not counterclaim, she will be lynched instead.

shelly was at like E-3 or something....

[Mundivore]

Another reason not to go for this whole scheme of not killing Plus today is because our PR has some investigative power no matter how the game is set up. Tracker or Cop can both find scum, Jailkeeper can find scum but more slowly (while giving town more time), and those are the only options for second town PR.

We win on Day 2 with the scheme only when we correctly choose the non-shelly, non-Plus scum today, but we're also looking for them blind without any town-aligned night actions. If we go for unraveling the whole shelly vs. Plus scum tango first, then our PR has a decent chance of figuring out the second target outright without us ever having to do guesswork.