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i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them aliveUnaBombaH: I think Im happy you turned up to be the scum, and that you won, because I will use this game as a guideline for whenever I finally land my first scumrole.- Frogsterking
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In post 834, Redados wrote:
sorry: my brain read this as you saying that you hadn't voted, that was my bad:In post 830, Noraa wrote:
"haven't cast a single vote"In post 827, Redados wrote:
I am not enjoying your holier-than-thou communication style where you are judging me for hammering when you haven't cast a single vote yourself, apparently? I am not a fan.In post 824, Noraa wrote:GODDAMNIT I WAS BOUT TO SAY THIS PROVES PLUS IS INNOCENT THEN A WILD JELLYFISH RUINED THE MOMENT >:(
Pedit: how am I the better vote than Shelly right here?
have you not read thru the whole thing? I took my vote off of 72 and didn't choose shelly or plus. I will not vote for shelly or plus bc I TR them
I did put thought into it. Either JOY or Shelly is scum. They have conflicting claims. One of them has to be scum. I'm not sheeping the town's opinion. I read through the whole thread, am I not allowed to have opinions?In post 818, Noraa wrote:me? no I never voted plus ... ever
I picked between them who I believed more. I believed Shelly more. I'm confused by your FoS.
I was going to vote for one of them. One of them is a PR and one of them is scum. I am okay if we lose a power role to lim a scum. That isn't scum-indicative.In post 835, Redados wrote:I'm getting a little defensive and I don't need to be, because my actions speak for themselves.
I believe part of the conflict here is that Noraa thinks both PLUS and shelly are town, hence her read on you makes sense from that perspective.In post 836, Redados wrote:Noraa, you are reminding me of ShellyC, and not in a good way.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Noraa
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don't tell us that otherwise u won't have pure townie energy >:(In post 848, PlusJOYED wrote:Oh actually I did find a really old game where I was CL in a large theme game. But that was 5 years ago when I was a senior in high school- Redados
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Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.In post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive
One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Noraa
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yeah I don't see how ur gonna be able to pick anyone and keep them alive cuz fn can only exist with town keeper and tracker or whatever those two roles areIn post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive- Frogsterking
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PLUS actually can't get blocked, there's no setup with a roleblocker and a TFN.In post 855, Frogsterking wrote:
Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.In post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive
One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Noraa
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ok im lost already there's too many ifs. i think we all have some more time like 1 1/2 days left. lets just wait to hear what shelly has to say, what plus has to say, and see what we can get out of it. I am convinced they r both town and scums r just watching this fight go down like ha lets see how many innocent townies we can get these fools to eliminate. But I have a tr on frog and echo. So I think the most sus person rn is redados. he hammered the day he replaced in right after frog said anyone that hammers, he will tr. This is a scumtell imoIn post 855, Frogsterking wrote:
Yes, if plus is scum and we're in A1 then mafia will have a roleblocker, so they will be able to block shelly and kill the nominee. Or, block plus, so the nominee doesn't get confirmation.In post 850, EchoVision wrote:i’m actually fine with not killing either of shelly or plus today
plus can prove himself to someone else MAYBE
if he doesn’t then we kill him
if he does we kill shelly
but idk how we’re gonna pick someone and keep them alive
One benefit of lynching outside of plus/shelly is that we imght be able to hit the scum roleblocker/role fisher, assuming shelly would counterclaim as the goon instead of the fisher, which is maybe an assumption we can't make.- Redados
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I'll go through each of the possible scenarios for you, Noraa.In post 2, JacksonVirgo wrote:Setup Information
NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):
Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.A B C Mafia Mafia RoleblockerMafia RolecopMafia GoonRow 1 Town Cop and Town DoctorTown Tracker and Town Friendly NeighborTown Cop and Vanilla TownieRow 2 Town Jailkeeper and Town TrackerTown Jailkeeper and Town Friendly NeighborTown Jailkeeper and Vanilla TownieRow 3 Town Mason and Town MasonTown Tracker and Town DoctorTown Mason and Town Mason
The remaining six roles will be filled in byandone mafia goonappropriately, to create afive vanilla towniesand2-mafiasetup.7-town
All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.action takes precedence over aMafia Roleblockeraction should that apply.Town Jailkeeper
Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.
Spoiler: List of Setups
Spoiler: Sample Role PM's
A1: Cop and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
A2: Jailkeeper and Tracker
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
A3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
B1: Tracker and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B2: Jailkeeper and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B3: Tracker and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
C1: Cop
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C2: Jailkeeper
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
Noraa, assuming that you are a vanilla townie, which set ups do you think we could be in? Which of these setups allows both of them to be town?- PlusJOYED
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Oh I found one were I was a mafia goon (ravenmocker98) if you really insist on meta. It's kinda cringe though so sorry for that (I was in high school, and I think most of us in that thread were pretty young): https://hypixel.net/threads/game-over-m ... ia.487686/
Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.- Redados
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Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town copIn post 859, Redados wrote:
I'll go through each of the possible scenarios for you, Noraa.In post 2, JacksonVirgo wrote:Setup Information
NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):
Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.A B C Mafia Mafia RoleblockerMafia RolecopMafia GoonRow 1 Town Cop and Town DoctorTown Tracker and Town Friendly NeighborTown Cop and Vanilla TownieRow 2 Town Jailkeeper and Town TrackerTown Jailkeeper and Town Friendly NeighborTown Jailkeeper and Vanilla TownieRow 3 Town Mason and Town MasonTown Tracker and Town DoctorTown Mason and Town Mason
The remaining six roles will be filled in byandone mafia goonappropriately, to create afive vanilla towniesand2-mafiasetup.7-town
All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.action takes precedence over aMafia Roleblockeraction should that apply.Town Jailkeeper
Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.
Spoiler: List of Setups
Spoiler: Sample Role PM's
A1: Cop and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
A2: Jailkeeper and Tracker
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
A3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
B1: Tracker and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B2: Jailkeeper and Friendly Neighbor
-Plus is telling the truth, Shelly is lying
B3: Tracker and Doctor
-Plus is lying, Shelly is telling the truth
C1: Cop
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C2: Jailkeeper
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
C3: Mason and Mason
-Plus and Shelly are both lying
Noraa, assuming that you are a vanilla townie, which set ups do you think we could be in? Which of these setups allows both of them to be town?- PlusJOYED
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If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.In post 860, PlusJOYED wrote:Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.
Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum. If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.
If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.
Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!- Noraa
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Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scumIn post 863, PlusJOYED wrote:that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards- Redados
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Yes, here I'm assuming that lying means that you are scum.In post 862, Noraa wrote:Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop
It is incredibly anti-town to fake claim a power role as town. Incredibly anti-town. The only time I can think of that ever working is in a particular gambit or something but that seems very risky and most likely to hurt the town. I think that it is a big reach to assume that this is the case in this situation.In post 3, JacksonVirgo wrote:Claiming Your Role
It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.
Do not fake claim a power role as town!While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.- Noraa
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Telling everyone the plan isn't gonna help anything. its just gonna give scum a heads upIn post 865, Redados wrote:
If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.In post 860, PlusJOYED wrote:Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.
Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum. If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.
If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.
Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!- Noraa
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hm just went back a few pages. this post caught my attention. not too great to assume people hold grudges against you throughout games(they would have to be real petty for that to happen imo) unless u were super rude or something. speaking of which have u been in a game with shelly before?In post 800, PlusJOYED wrote:
I agree. Almost feels like a vendetta against me or some shit cause it doesn't make sense.In post 794, Frogsterking wrote:I can't believe shelly would sac in that situation.- Redados
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Bolded for emphasisIn post 868, Noraa wrote:
Telling everyone the plan isn't gonna help anything. its just gonna give scum a heads upIn post 865, Redados wrote:
If you get jailed and mafia attacks you, we'll know because there will be no night kill. That would be a success.In post 860, PlusJOYED wrote:Idk man, I'm mildy worried if I survive I target the guy who gets NK'd or I get jailed and mafia attacks me. But idk.
Try and target someone who is in the middle of your scum-town spectrum.If scum knows this and tries to aim their nightkill in a similar way because they know that you're going to target in this way, that helps us as a whole because it leaves more universally townread people in the game.
If you use your role on scum, and scum lies and gets you mislimmed, then we lim the scum.
Realistically, if you're the town friendly neighbor, you're going to get nightkilled. If not tonight, another night. But you taking the fall like that is helping less obviously town-read people get nightkilled, which helps the town as a whole. So it could be worse!- Redados
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Your refusal to listen and adapt to new information is really bothering me.In post 866, Noraa wrote:
Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scumIn post 863, PlusJOYED wrote:that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards- Noraa
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Again I don't think noobs think things thru. I literally claimed a 3p role in my marathon game as a town cop. u look at that and say wow she's stupid but I mean noobs don't know wtf they r doing. this is legit a point I've pushed so much this game. People kept saying plus was scum bc blah blah blah but noobies don't think of those things!In post 867, Redados wrote:
Yes, here I'm assuming that lying means that you are scum.In post 862, Noraa wrote:Your telling me that lying automatically mean your scum. This logic doesn't make any sense. I just played in two marathon games and I didn't tell the truth about my roles in one of them. Did that mean I was scum? hell no I was town cop
It is incredibly anti-town to fake claim a power role as town. Incredibly anti-town. The only time I can think of that ever working is in a particular gambit or something but that seems very risky and most likely to hurt the town. I think that it is a big reach to assume that this is the case in this situation.In post 3, JacksonVirgo wrote:Claiming Your Role
It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.
Do not fake claim a power role as town!While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.- EchoVision
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your ability to be able to change your opinion based on majority vote that fast is quite stunning too. makes me think ur trying too hard to blend in with town scum!redadoIn post 871, Redados wrote:
Your refusal to listen and adapt to new information is really bothering me.In post 866, Noraa wrote:
Bruh I feel like vt wouldn't wanna say they r vanilla town bc 1)it helps scum narrow down choices for pr 2)town might eliminate u anyways bc they think ur sketch so they r thinking eh we either r limming a vt or a scumIn post 863, PlusJOYED wrote:that is adorable noraa. But VT's don't lie about their role
And according to people like Redados, trading a pr for a scum is ok so killing off a vt that u think is scum I'm 100% sure is ok by these standards - Noraa
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