Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[shellyc]

a townie SE reaction

what is a "townie SE reaction" why do SEs have special treatment

[Frogsterking]

I think plus's comments at e-0 definitely imply some kind of intent, as though she was aware the game was not over, regardless of AI. Otherwise I don't believe it makes sense for her to have continued posting in the way that she had. She did not emotionally react to the hammer in my opinion, though I'll need to reread it. It seems like town!plus in that situation might have pointed out that she was not dead. I think that plus attempting to theater in that situation is not entirely AI either even if we could prove it was theater. I would be hammering plus because it makes more sense not because she theatered in that situation.

this is just fence-sitting: "imply intent" "did not emotionally react" but "not entirely AI"

I've said basically all I've had to day about the me/shelly situation
at this point. There are 2 posts that I'd like to bring attention to that were really scummy but I think flew under most peoples radar in the heat of the moment that I think are worth looking at again.

First:

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED

I dont buy the claim.

1. Total scumbucket, so i think its extremely likely just scum role fishing and trying to avert their lynch.

2. No PR is that ready to out themselves at the drop if a hat, especially not when:
A) a player requested for no hammers
B) we have replacements incoming
C) request for a claim came from their scumread
D) request came from a player who was already on their wagon And unable to actually hammer

Unvoting until replacements in.

This and the post after, despite my imperfect play here (I was feeling really pressured as nearly every player had expressed a SR on me), from a logical perspective, eliming me here before shelly counter claimed makes 0 fucking sense considering TFN is a provable role. They unvoted, but didn't even flinch or reconsider their SR on me at all, and a tunnel like that (an incorrect one at that) does not befit a townie SE reaction. This is very odd to me and pretty scummy.

Secondly ...

I'm also not interested in hearing from the replacement slot for this same reason. I'll townread anyone who helps me quickhammer PLUS.

This, for obvious reasons, is a super scummy mindset. Townpasses are not just thrown out to people who do what you want, and limiting discussion here sounds like a bad idea. It's either a townie misplay (possible) or a big scumslip (also possible).

Both of the ccs believe I will hammer them and are accusing me of being scummy; this clears me as town right??

[PlusJOYED]

im just ignoring plusjoy's posts at this point

I'm not ignoring your posts and I know your scum. Sounds like a desperate tunnel to me

[Noraa]

Tbh it seems it doesn't really matter what either of u say at this point. town seems to think killing one pr and one scum(if their guess on this is right) is a good choice and totally worth it. I suggested killing off sirius who doesn't give us any useful opinions and wait until one of you can prove you are real that way we risk killing the real pr but that idea wasn't liked soooo that's that

After reading his most recent batch of posts I definitely saw the benefits of your point of view, Nora.

that's a first for useful posts I've posted since no one agreed with any of my other posts so they were basically useless...

[shellyc]

PlusJoy bussing you?

never believed that you will hammer me

[Noraa]

I think plus's comments at e-0 definitely imply some kind of intent, as though she was aware the game was not over, regardless of AI. Otherwise I don't believe it makes sense for her to have continued posting in the way that she had. She did not emotionally react to the hammer in my opinion, though I'll need to reread it. It seems like town!plus in that situation might have pointed out that she was not dead. I think that plus attempting to theater in that situation is not entirely AI either even if we could prove it was theater. I would be hammering plus because it makes more sense not because she theatered in that situation.

this is just fence-sitting: "imply intent" "did not emotionally react" but "not entirely AI"

I've said basically all I've had to day about the me/shelly situation
at this point. There are 2 posts that I'd like to bring attention to that were really scummy but I think flew under most peoples radar in the heat of the moment that I think are worth looking at again.

First:

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED

I dont buy the claim.

1. Total scumbucket, so i think its extremely likely just scum role fishing and trying to avert their lynch.

2. No PR is that ready to out themselves at the drop if a hat, especially not when:
A) a player requested for no hammers
B) we have replacements incoming
C) request for a claim came from their scumread
D) request came from a player who was already on their wagon And unable to actually hammer

Unvoting until replacements in.

This and the post after, despite my imperfect play here (I was feeling really pressured as nearly every player had expressed a SR on me), from a logical perspective, eliming me here before shelly counter claimed makes 0 fucking sense considering TFN is a provable role. They unvoted, but didn't even flinch or reconsider their SR on me at all, and a tunnel like that (an incorrect one at that) does not befit a townie SE reaction. This is very odd to me and pretty scummy.

Secondly ...

I'm also not interested in hearing from the replacement slot for this same reason. I'll townread anyone who helps me quickhammer PLUS.

This, for obvious reasons, is a super scummy mindset. Townpasses are not just thrown out to people who do what you want, and limiting discussion here sounds like a bad idea. It's either a townie misplay (possible) or a big scumslip (also possible).

Both of the ccs believe I will hammer them and are accusing me of being scummy; this clears me as town right??

I would say yes that's true

[shellyc]

I'm not ignoring your posts and I know your scum. Sounds like a desperate tunnel to me

let me explain to town. So now i know PlusJoy is outed, they would do things to frame partnerships after they die, so I should disregard their posts at this point to make a better decision on the solve.

[PlusJOYED]

a townie SE reaction

what is a "townie SE reaction" why do SEs have special treatment

I generally expect a higher level of play from a SE than a newbslot. Even if it was from a newbslot its still sus

[Noraa]

So ig we could make the plan
plus use ur pr thingie on frog and shelly save him?

[PlusJOYED]

I'm not ignoring your posts and I know your scum. Sounds like a desperate tunnel to me

let me explain to town. So now i know PlusJoy is outed, they would do things to frame partnerships after they die, so I should disregard their posts at this point to make a better decision on the solve.

seems like a wasted effort since town will elim you tomorrow no matter what you say and you flip red

[shellyc]

If the setup is A1 and plusjoy is scum I will be RB'd and plusjoy will be able to kill my announced save

[shellyc]

*and as I know plusjoy is scum

[Noraa]

So ig we could make the plan
plus use ur pr thingie on frog and shelly save him?

if frog dies, then shelly is def not doctor
if frog lives then we'll see what he says

[PlusJOYED]

So ig we could make the plan
plus use ur pr thingie on frog and shelly save him?

If I live, since theres no rolestopper, I'm not telling who I use it on to get a better chance of scum not killing that person which won't prove me.

[PlusJOYED]

Well not telling until the next day assuming I survive, which is unlikely

[shellyc]

if frog dies, then shelly is def not doctor

the possibility of roleblocker exists

roleblocker can roleblock me and my save fails

[JacksonVirgo]

I believe a hammer has occured, please do not post

@mod requesting a votecount

I be doing one now

[Noraa]

So ig we could make the plan
plus use ur pr thingie on frog and shelly save him?

If I live, since theres no rolestopper, I'm not telling who I use it on to get a better chance of scum not killing that person which won't prove me.

oh true yes

[Noraa]

ah shoot sorry!!!

[JacksonVirgo]

According to my calculations, redados hammered but everyone said it wasn't so I am double checking as we speak

[shellyc]

what the fuck...

?????????

[JacksonVirgo]

Carry on, I missed an unvote

[shellyc]

@mod requesting a votecount

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait don't carry on, I'm a mess it was still hammer

Edit: Seriously, just keep posting until I can get my brain working. Just woke up

[shellyc]

wtf?????