Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if the hurt faction actually gets somebody to the "about to get executed" stage I will share my thoughts about that person but not before then.

[Chara]

and you won't share any thoughts about players you want to spare. so you're going to do nothing this game day? is that fun?

Taylor: be the change you want to see in the world. prompting AI content by digging at other players is one way of hunting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if I wasn't having fun I wouldn't be here

[Prism]

catboi's reads and general approach haven't really been angling for anything here, and he's really taking his time and letting things play out.

I hate that he's likely to be town, just not really the approach he should take for this game as scum imo. Only thing I didn't like was the early Hectic "deliberate" accusation, and that's really plausible for towncat too

Er, what's the approach I "should" take?

It depends a bit on who your partners would be but my instinct is that continuing to play things in the backseat/letting people develop without too many nudges from you will lead to a loss, the only one that's probably best to steer clear of would be my push on Hectic. If me/Chara are both town, letting us continue to be the strongest voices would be a disaster waiting to happen. I think a good counterpoint, briefly stated, would be that I don't actually have scum meta on you. It's very strange to know you extremely well in some ways and have complete gaps in others.

[Chara]

if we don't catch likely scum by the end of this day, i nominate myself to perform some emergency surgery on the teddy.
i do not have a medical license.

[Chara]

Prism, if you care for it, Your Nightmare just concluded. Hectic won this as scum. i caught him day 1 but wasn't confident enough to get him eliminated and then got killed.
it'll certainly effect my own approach this game, and as it's fairly short i thought i'd mention it to you.

[Morning Tweet]

i'm really sorry i haven't been playing very actively yet

I'll dedicate time to reading n probably just posting general thoughts on monday or maybe late tonight if i feel like doing that rather than sleeping

[redtea]

Sorry for the multipost, didn't want to make quoting a hassle for others.

I gotta say it is a bad take on Hectic's part. The spreadsheets show that he wasn't baselessly echoing Prism for cred but legitimately corroborating.
Both catboi and prism are well tr'd at this point though so I suppose it doesn't really matter

I was criticizing your catboi read, not your Prism one.
Point is, I don't think your reason for invalidating catboi's cred is well thought out. I think the way he corroborated put them on equal ground.

Nifty hat. Well, don't mind me, just going to be opportunist scum parking on you knowing you won't really respond for three days.

Meh, the mopiness is

annoying

but I don't know that it's

scummy

and now that I take off the rage-goggles, even though we disagree on our approaches he seems to be making attempts to legitimately evaluate people

catboi, I'm not seeing these "attempts to legitimately evaluate people" anywhere before you made this post. Could you point me to some examples?

[redtea]

Spoiler: @Chara

258 sucks, but that's old news now i guess. AI non-mech talk has been happening for a whie since before that post.

redtea: re: 266, what sort of act do you think Puppy is playing right now? also, what's your read on Elements?

I wanna see Puppy talk some more first.
Elements I'll have to get back to you on. I've amassed a bunch of shit to post and he slipped my mind considering he's.. not here.......
.-.

happy scumday Tweet!

i don't have much to say to your response, besides that i think i agree with you more. i was just concerned you'd locktowned him for it, but i can see that isn't the case.

Just a question, was the concern more about catboi's regard among the town or about MT's behavior?

[redtea]

Spoiler: @Tanner

i didn't think i'd ever have the urge to vig 1/3rd of the players in a given game, but it's actually happened.

Well, 25% of the players in the game right now are scum, but it's probably not all the non-contributors. It's never that easy...usually.

what if... the scumteam was... exactly taylor/lavender/pooky .. aha ha, just kidding.. unless.. ?

i feel like i'm going back and forth on hectic. i really liked 302 (as it's almost the exact same thought i had upon seeing it) and the fact he's pressuring pooky, but then one person that seems to have experience with him says he's suspicious, then the other person that has experience with him says that's the hectic they wanted to see and sigh. wish

i

knew how to read hectic.

@hectic, do you have a read on me yet?

i hate that at this point i want to townread people (e.g. chara and prism with pooky on this page) just for telling people to

play the damn game

.

This is interesting Tanner. You

like

that Hectic was "pressuring" Pooky? That was something I wanted to touch on.
The way I saw it was definitely an indirect "well what about _". Ofc he didn't do so directly because, in most cases, that would be childish, but...

After being pushed to Do Something, he

immediately

went for a push on Pooky (me at first. Claims it has to do with a harder read on him, but it could easily be he felt Pooky to be more vulnerable/be less confrontational fighting back, more manipulatable, etc). Considering that there was already content that he could've interacted with, deciding to only push another lurker was just lazy. He could have done both, you know, talked to a few people and also went "if you guys are gonna drag me into the open let's get Pooky out here too." I feel his approach did three things:
1) established a hierarchy of lurking (Hectic lurks less than Pooky)
2) passed the responsibility of "generating content" off to Pooky
3) let him coast by relying on Pooky (i.e. "I have nothing to say because Pooky isn't giving worthwile responses")

Reading the thread, Prism says this pretty succinctly here #320 and here #341. Consider this my supporting post.

[Hectic]

Prism, if you care for it, Your Nightmare just concluded. Hectic won this as scum. i caught him day 1 but wasn't confident enough to get him eliminated and then got killed.
it'll certainly effect my own approach this game, and as it's fairly short i thought i'd mention it to you.

[Hectic]

I was criticizing your catboi read, not your Prism one.
Point is, I don't think your reason for invalidating catboi's cred is well thought out. I think the way he corroborated put them on equal ground.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter

[redtea]

I think I forgot to finish a thought

3) let him coast by relying on Pooky (i.e. "I have nothing to say because Pooky isn't giving worthwile responses")

*would allow him to coast. He has done a bit of talking since then, but also

did

make this post here #323.
Anyway, this one was meant more to be "he could take advantage" than "he has".

[redtea]

hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter

what are you actually talking about

[redtea]

I was criticizing your catboi read, not your Prism one.
Point is, I don't think your reason for invalidating catboi's cred is well thought out. I think the way he corroborated put them on equal ground.

let me quote it again.

anyway, Prism town because he did the math and was accurate before catboi revealed his spreadsheets
he made the effort but showed no working or proof to try and make it look impressive or get any towncred from it

this is very clearly paints Prism's actions in a different light than catboi's.
You can simultaneously tr someone and not give them town credit for something other people have

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter

what are you actually talking about

we are masons together

[redtea]

wh

[Hectic]

hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter

what are you actually talking about

we are masons together

Also, I hate that my first instinct is to unvote you after seeing this. You are strong at pocketing me...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because we are of one soul

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean you can lynch me but i will still be your mason friend

[Chara]

Just a question, was the concern more about catboi's regard among the town or about MT's behavior?

my concern was MT's behaviour, but not in a "this looks scummy" way. rather, a "i'm concerned if you're town and locktowning someone for this" sort of way. that's why i ended the post by saying i wasn't interested in getting into a logical argument.

pedit: i nearly voted Pooky in this post, so i'm surprised that comment makes you want to unvote.

[Hectic]

Just a question, was the concern more about catboi's regard among the town or about MT's behavior?

my concern was MT's behaviour, but not in a "this looks scummy" way. rather, a "i'm concerned if you're town and locktowning someone for this" sort of way. that's why i ended the post by saying i wasn't interested in getting into a logical argument.

pedit: i nearly voted Pooky in this post, so i'm surprised that comment makes you want to unvote.

[redtea]

i think you just jumped into his pocket bro

[catboi]

catboi's reads and general approach haven't really been angling for anything here, and he's really taking his time and letting things play out.

I hate that he's likely to be town, just not really the approach he should take for this game as scum imo. Only thing I didn't like was the early Hectic "deliberate" accusation, and that's really plausible for towncat too

Er, what's the approach I "should" take?

It depends a bit on who your partners would be but my instinct is that continuing to play things in the backseat/letting people develop without too many nudges from you will lead to a loss, the only one that's probably best to steer clear of would be my push on Hectic. If me/Chara are both town, letting us continue to be the strongest voices would be a disaster waiting to happen. I think a good counterpoint, briefly stated, would be that I don't actually have scum meta on you. It's very strange to know you extremely well in some ways and have complete gaps in others.

I thought you were calling me out for slacking on this game and I liked that but the more I read this the more I got weirded out and confused. Like, the idea I couldn't be lazy and unmotivated as mafia is...puzzling. This read on me doesn't make a lot of sense. (*´ω｀*)

catboi, I'm not seeing these "attempts to legitimately evaluate people" anywhere before you made this post. Could you point me to some examples?

190 shows him making some kind of reads. the logic on prism is fairly iffy, though. 302 is a read of some kind. 311 pressuring pooky is reasonable? like I had been thinking similarly, he just said it before me. 316 as the explanation for the vote-flip makes sense? little moment of indecisiveness that is maybe townie. Yeah, I kind of crapped out that read, it's not as strong as I thought but it at least shows an attempt?

Now that I can give the game my attention, gonna stay up trying to eval until I end up falling asleep, let's see how it goes~