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Frogsterking · Post Post #900 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:36 am

In post 898, ItalianoVD wrote:Although I didn’t know it was called vca until I got on here. We just didn’t call it that where I’ve played.

Same.

LavarManos · Post Post #901 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:52 am

In post 891, Frogsterking wrote:Lavar I'm going to need you to do some amateur detective work or this day is going to be super painful for me.

Ok, what do you want? I do not know how to VCA either.

Frogsterking · Post Post #902 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:59 am

In post 901, LavarManos wrote:
In post 891, Frogsterking wrote:Lavar I'm going to need you to do some amateur detective work or this day is going to be super painful for me.
Ok, what do you want? I do not know how to VCA either.

What's your opinion on the Magik/Casey slot?

LavarManos · Post Post #903 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:09 am

Sorry, I'm not really sure. I'll try to get back to you later.

ItalianoVD · Post Post #904 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:15 am

In post 899, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 897, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 893, Frogsterking wrote:I have more experience with NKA, is anyone here amateur, pro or otherwise experienced in VCA?
Pretty experienced. My vca is trash. I’ve been wrong both times (shellyc, rocknil), so if we go by vca, I don’t look too good. I’ll try to see what’s happening elsewhere, but I wouldn’t have the moral authority to make a case.
Oh okay. What about your opinion on the Lavar slot now that you've seen the flips from yesterday?

Lavar is like me, his vote count is much to be desired. But the thing I’m still trying to figure out is why Lavar has been so adamant in townreading me. After doing his iso early on when he replaced in 371 he gave his reasons for townreading multiple people. He mentioned it was really gut reads, which is cool, I respect that, but in 562 563 564 632 & 688 it seems like he’s trying too hard to townread me and I never like being townread that strongly.

Also, for me I’m a little suspicious of the Redados N1 reveal that he alluded to in 555 simply because of 630. If Redados used his ability on you N1 like you said he did then why would you throw shade out there like that? I’m not liking it.

ItalianoVD · Post Post #905 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:15 am

In post 903, LavarManos wrote:Sorry, I'm not really sure. I'll try to get back to you later.

So you didn’t have any type of semi read on the slot?

LavarManos · Post Post #906 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:17 am

In post 905, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 903, LavarManos wrote:Sorry, I'm not really sure. I'll try to get back to you later.
So you didn’t have any type of semi read on the slot?

I think Casey has been townie, but it is LYLO. A member of the mafia could be townie, so that alone does not prevent my vote from going there.
If Casey is town, then you are scum. I would like to believe that my townread on you is correct.

LavarManos · Post Post #907 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:19 am

In post 904, ItalianoVD wrote:If Redados used his ability on you N1 like you said he did then why would you throw shade out there like that? I’m not liking it.

I was trying to not make it too obvious to the mafia that he had Friendly Neighbored me.

Frogsterking · Post Post #908 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:46 am

In post 903, LavarManos wrote:Sorry, I'm not really sure. I'll try to get back to you later.

In post 906, LavarManos wrote:
In post 905, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 903, LavarManos wrote:Sorry, I'm not really sure. I'll try to get back to you later.
So you didn’t have any type of semi read on the slot?
I think Casey has been townie, but it is LYLO. A member of the mafia could be townie, so that alone does not prevent my vote from going there.
If Casey is town, then you are scum. I would like to believe that my townread on you is correct.

Maybe sometime over the next couple days if possible, I'd like to hear your new opinion the Magik/Casey slot.

Frogsterking · Post Post #909 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:49 am

If it's changed.

Nahdia · Post Post #910 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:28 am

im like, obviously very used to running games with 14 day deadlines bc that's twice in a row ive made this same error.

fixing the deadline now...

Vote Count 3.01

Not Voting (5):

LavarManos, ItalianoVD, Casey, Fredrick A Campbell, Frogsterking

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2020-09-12 19:00:00), at which point we will default to no elimination.

With five players alive, it takes

three

to reach majority.

Frogsterking · Post Post #911 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:52 am

Oh shoot I thought it was really ending in 14 days.

Frogsterking · Post Post #912 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:35 am

In post 458, Nahdia wrote:
Vote Count 1.06

shellyc (3):

Redados
,
Frederick A Campbell
,
shellyc
, ItalianoVD, Frogsterking, rocknil

Frederick A Campbell (2):
MUSHSHAGANA, MagikHorse

MagikHorse (1):
LavarManos,
Frogsterking

ItalianoVD (0):

MagikHorse

rocknil (0):

Frogsterking
,
ItalianoVD

Redados (0):

shellyc

Not Voting (3):

rocknil
,
Frogsterking
, shellyc, Redados, Frederick A Campbell

Deadline is in
(expired on 2020-08-25 15:51:33)
, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With nine players alive, it takes
five
to reach majority.

If anyone is able to find good sources on VCA I will give you town credit. So far I only read Mastin's thoughts on VCA, from this site, which seems to be divided up among a forum post and two wiki articles.

My main take aways were that it's very contextual, two scum are harder to VCA than three scum, and there's a decent chance on D1 they were on separate wagons.

Frogsterking · Post Post #913 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:24 pm

I'm starting to develop a semi-intuitive read about the game.

Frogsterking · Post Post #914 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:09 pm

I'm probably going to need a fellow townsperson to bounce ideas off with. I just finished doing VCA of D1 up to 1.06. I'm going to see if I can go the rest of the way through the day now.

Casey or Frederick, do you have any experience in VCA?

Frogsterking · Post Post #915 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:40 pm

In post 781, Casey wrote:
In post 768, Frogsterking wrote:At this point I would be the second townie you overreacted to in an OMGUS [...]

VOTE: Frederick
I'd just like to point out the irony here.

Casey how did you know that this post was ironic?

Frogsterking · Post Post #916 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:43 pm

I'm going to have to go back over the VCA of D1 again tomorrow it was super exhausting and there was only one moment I thought really worth analyzing.

Frogsterking · Post Post #917 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:49 pm

Lavar you still have less posts than MagikHorse lol.

Frogsterking · Post Post #918 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:38 pm

Okay I'm very tempted to call the game now.

Frogsterking · Post Post #919 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:02 pm

I'm going to give everyone one more round of posts tomorrow before I dump my thoughts out. If you're the scum team this will probably be your last chance to change my mind.

These were the sources I used for understanding VCA:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... unting#VCA
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _VCA_Guide
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=VCA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=70951

I was hoping to find a greater variety of sources on the topic but it seems to be something more effective in the MafiaScum format.

This writer (or writers with similar names) predicted this information would become outdated as scum became familiar with the theory which I don't believe was the case at all in this game.

Fredrick A Campbell · Post Post #920 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:07 pm

Right now, I think the scumteam is either Casey and LavarManos or ItalianoVD and LavarManos. I am considering executing LavarManos today.

Frogsterking · Post Post #921 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:20 pm

Ughh I'm very very tempted to try and call the game but I know the winrate will improve the more patience I show, this is when some of the slips happen.

My gamesolve is based on four different things including the VCA of D1 and D2.

Frogsterking · Post Post #922 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:21 pm

In post 920, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Right now, I think the scumteam is either Casey and LavarManos or ItalianoVD and LavarManos. I am considering executing LavarManos today.

Okay, and why have you ruled out the possibility of Casey and Italiano?

Frogsterking · Post Post #923 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:25 pm

By the way Lavar, if you're too reticent about posting reads without the time to review the material, a semi-detailed description of your past mafia experiences would be EXTREMELY helpful.

Fredrick A Campbell · Post Post #924 (ISO) » Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:26 pm

In post 922, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 920, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Right now, I think the scumteam is either Casey and LavarManos or ItalianoVD and LavarManos. I am considering executing LavarManos today.
Okay, and why have you ruled out the possibility of Casey and Italiano?

Actually, I don't think I have. I actually just suspect LavarManos more than the others.