Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's definitely not outside my scum-range for sure.

Like I'd go all in for getting the Chara spared if I were scum because it would be absolutely glorious.

[Tayl0r Swift]

It's definitely not outside my scum-range for sure.

Like I'd go all in for getting the Chara spared if I were scum because it would be absolutely glorious.

well in that case who do you want to see spared today?

[Tanner]

Like I'd go all in for getting the Chara spared if I were scum because it would be absolutely glorious.

you know what we could do if you guys are all super convinced Tanner = good?

we could like totally spare him and give peace a chance.

[Chara]

reminder that the neutral route where we start by sparing and move to killing is inferior to the killing then sparing neutral route, in every way.
in terms of avoiding a Chara spare and making sure they die, killing today wins. in terms of getting useful information to bring us into later days, killing today also wins.

what does sparing and then going neutral get us? a couple of chances to spare Chara accidentally before they die and we don't need to worry about it for days 3 and 4, before an endgame where we have very few flips to look at.
also, deepwolves are easier to catch once you've shot down their fellows. the deepwolf we'd have to find in the pacifist route, with no information? forget about it.
okay i'll stop checking the thread now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't really have a preference. I am ok with tanner, I think Tweet made good points about him and when he was conversing with me I felt he was doing so in good faith like he really wanted to see my side/convince me to turn away from a path of peace.

Am I like 100% sure he's locktown- nope but he's probably been the nicest to me so far

[Morning Tweet]

i think what I was thinking of was how Pooky points out our odds go up immensely if days 1 and 2 are slamdunk townread winners guaranteed. I guess i can find it somewhat more believable that he believes in his plan, if that makes sense.

I was also going to say I liked his "I always do this every game with mechanics, I always try to break the setup" but on other pass ehh maybe not as much i dont think its AI

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I guess I just find it way easier to find town than find mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and it's not as much of an antagonistic process to like find someone good and spare them versus insisting that someone is bad.

[Morning Tweet]

I don't really have a preference. I am ok with tanner, I think Tweet made good points about him and when he was conversing with me I felt he was doing so in good faith like he really wanted to see my side/convince me to turn away from a path of peace.

Am I like 100% sure he's locktown- nope but he's probably been the nicest to me so far :)

if you're not 100% sure then why would we spare rather than fight?!

[Chara]

proposal: we refer to the evil Chara as Not Chara, or NC for short. i continue my reign as the one true Chara.

[Morning Tweet]

I guess I just find it way easier to find town than find mafia

This I can agree with. Maybe partially because there are way more town, but i am way more comfortable townlocking ppl than condemning them

But not enough to overcome the obstacles the setup has with the spare route

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you're not 100% sure then why would we spare rather than fight?!

well you're usually not 100% sure about the people you fight either.

[Tanner]

if you're not 100% sure then why would we spare rather than fight?!

well you're usually not 100% sure about the people you fight either.

but there's a big difference between "fighting a townie on day one" and "sparing Not Chara on day one", ya know?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you chara?

[Morning Tweet]

Yeah but it's not nearly as bad misfighting as missparing is.

Like missparing not only do we have no idea we screwed up (So our perception going forward is screwed thinking that a scum is town), but we have to do a really difficult Xylo where we play spot the deepwolf in the 4 spared

If we even get there, cause the aforementioned misspared player might already have dealt enough damage to us thinking they were town or we just spared Chara and lost anyway

[Morning Tweet]

err, Not Chara

[Tanner]

are you chara?

no, i'm just saying, not being 100% certain in a flip is less disasterous when wrong if we're fighting.

also genocide is the obviously superior route anyway and there is no point sparing the first few days anyway but i feel like i've said that way too many times already

[Chara]

if only Pooky is still arguing the point, is it really necessary to keep beating this horse?

i haven't read Taylor besides a skim yet but i'm happy to see her getting into things.

[Morning Tweet]

If we're not gonna spare 4 people which we very likely arent then we should just let Not Chara eat her flowers or whatever before entertaining sparing. free scum death!

I bet Chara and Tanner and prolly several ppl have made that point every 5 seconds but here I am rehashing it in the vain hopes it makes it clear to Pooky that we're taking the game on the path to murder and destruction and he needs to hop on board for now whether he agrees with it or not

let not chara die!!

[Tanner]

if only Pooky is still arguing the point, is it really necessary to keep beating this horse?

i have a bad habit of *not* being able to let go when i really believe in something. i'll shut up now.

also should you not be sleeping?

[Chara]

i have a problem! also i'm excited about murder.
but you're right. tomorrow.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I bet Chara and Tanner and prolly several ppl have made that point every 5 seconds but here I am rehashing it in the vain hopes it makes it clear to Pooky that we're taking the game on the path to murder and destruction and he needs to hop on board for now whether he agrees with it or not

alright if you want my super spicy guess on who the scum-team is.

I'd have to say:

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Chara - Elements
Goon - Catboi
Goon - Tayl0rSwift

[redtea]

sephia crew only

[redtea]

pooky the fact that that makes sense is hilarious
unfortunately catboi is too town for that

[redtea]

Tanner is the kind of easily likeable guy I let slip by too easily and is making things hard rn honestly

while i do enjoy being called a likeable guy, is there anything i can do to make things not-hard?

I don't know what I want out of you atm. If I think of something I'll say it.

You're not the only one thinking lavender's post is NG but they're not the only one actin like that
and it's been pages of this
so

Okay I'm proposing an alliance between me, Tanner, Morning Tweet, and redtea. Just need to find one more person there I'm comfy with.

okay catboi how did I get in here and not Prism. That isn't a thing that happens.
For real though, did you like, forget them?

I'll go ahead and make it clear here that my reads of that list is [town, neutral, town-lean]. Not trying to kick Tanner out or anything; for all Intents and Purposes I may as well consider him an ally, as I wouldn't fight him today and he doesn't seem to have the formidable-scary-maf reputation Chara does.