In post 108, Clarity238 wrote:I'm not getting lynched today. Anyway, if there's 2 mafia off me, wouldn't that make me town? Aren't you also assuming everyone on me is town?
I picked it off this post -- Clarity had the full indestructible energy of someone who knows they're a confirmable town power role. I legitimately forgot about the rolecop for a moment.
Nah, I'm always like this - turns out that not caring much about wagons and ignoring pressure is a good strategy for quick chat based games where very few people read isos. It's a shame I wasn't able to keep going here, but glad the game went well after I subbed out might come back to try again at some point but I really think that this kind of slow game isn't for me.
In post 44, notscience wrote:
Third, there’s a touch more nuance here because we don’t want to hamstring ourselves by Outting prs- only scum want to hunt for them. There’s one other role that also would want to but I’ll touch on that either post-massclaim or endgame.
Would this be referring to doctor looking for people to protect?
I really like your vibe. You have like a sincere / positive energy which is always really delightful to see. Mafia can get really intense and it's easy to get carried away with it and take stuff to heart. during the heat of everything that was going down this post made me smile:
In post 1429, PlusJOYED wrote:Also I just realized I never said hi to the worst, how rude of me
Hi the worst! I like your pfp, I've been meaning to watch kaguya season 2
Hopefully next time we're on the same team.
secondly, I was a little bit dismissive of your contributions on d3 and I'm sorry for the way I projected that. Your end of day two was actually pretty towny, and your reads on bulge & Andres at a minimum were really solid. When i read up on Nash's iso, I was pretty sure you had replaced into a scumslot. So I suppose it's fair to say my "surprised [you] flipped town" comment was pretty exaggerated.
I think this one was tricky. Shelly was hard to get right; she's like, naturally good at posting as scum in a way that's quite rare for a newbie. A lot of scum struggle to create convincing content at the level she does. So the best advice I can give is probably around interacting with Things Going On rather than necessarily directly reading players.
Tangentially, you reminded me of my first newbie game. I was town, but really struggled with committing to my townreads because I always had that fear, like
what if I'm wrong and look silly?
I'm not sure if that's exactly what happened with the Andres read flip situation, but I feel like the feedback I got from my first ever game applies at some level: don't be scared to be more liberal with your townreads.
Your Andres townread was strong, well-considered and ultimately correct. I wasn't trying to push you to convince you Andres was scum; I was trying to push you to show me how you reached the read originally. Plus, I was also incorrectly heavily scumreading you - so you had the extra benefit of knowing that my reads were wrong.
If you're ever in a situation where you're being confronted about a read which you really believe in, don't doubt yourself. Try your best to talk through it and make the other person see your perspective. If they refuse to...that's a problem with them (either they're scum, or don't understand). But if you're right and convince them, that's a bonus. If you're wrong, you might start to realise that you've used incorrect logic while you talk about it. It could to lots of other ways but hopefully this illustrates the point - if you believe something, back yourself! It makes big things happen.
With respect to your elimination....I think your posting after I incorrectly cases you was quite good. This playerlist was unique because both scum had deeply pocketed a few town players. But if you check the vote count.......
...... The scumteam were clearly very happy with your elimination. Andres' vote seemed to me to be quite similar to notscience's intent to hammer. It felt more like a situation where you COULD be scum... and it would have made sense if their townreads were correct. But I think in a playerlist where scum played a bit less well, your posting there probably could have gotten the elimination onto Bulge.
your read on me made sense. I'm probably capable of doing most of what I did this game as scum, I think (just maybe not as quickly/effortlessly ). when you're incorrectly pushed by someone, it's really valuable to ask yourself: is their case rubbish, or does it make sense? does it feel like a real thought they're actually having? etc.; It is in scum's best interest to mis-elim you, but unfortunately sometimes town will accidentally mis-elim you too. The best trick is to look for behavioural tells. There's a decent chance you already did this with me and just arrived at "scum", but I wanted to say it anyway
I think from there your elimination preferences might have been me => notscience before shelly. but honestly, I think the best way to improve on this is to just keep practicing. losses happen sometimes, and I think it's ok (maybe even an honour) to play your hardest and lose to someone who played really well.
Thanks for the advice. I abandoned my SR from dead chat on NS day 3. It became more obvious to me he was town. Blind day 3 my solve was still bulge/you.
In post 1406, PlusJOYED wrote:@the worst I might chat with you postgame on why you decided to dig so hard on me knowing I flip town. If I was mafia in bella slot, I don't think it'd be a very good idea to push me this hard when you know I'm town, since you'll just get elimed the next day. How do you plan on reacting when I do flip town day 3?
speaking of experience: this post is actually really intuitive, by the way. following this reasoning, I would be crazy to replace into a scumslot and powerdrive your miselim to save my scumbuddy the bulge, only to go into final 5 with egg on my face...... therefore, there's a higher chance that I actually believe my push on you, therefore I'm more likely to be town.
your right, I didn't think of that. To me the hard switch from friendly to me to power eliming me seemed like you were nervous mafia but I was wrong. I'll keep that in mind next time
In post 1406, PlusJOYED wrote:@the worst I might chat with you postgame on why you decided to dig so hard on me knowing I flip town. If I was mafia in bella slot, I don't think it'd be a very good idea to push me this hard when you know I'm town, since you'll just get elimed the next day. How do you plan on reacting when I do flip town day 3?
speaking of experience: this post is actually really intuitive, by the way. following this reasoning, I would be crazy to replace into a scumslot and powerdrive your miselim to save my scumbuddy the bulge, only to go into final 5 with egg on my face...... therefore, there's a higher chance that I actually believe my push on you, therefore I'm more likely to be town.
your right, I didn't think of that. To me the hard switch from friendly to me to power eliming me seemed like you were nervous mafia but I was wrong. I'll keep that in mind next time
Nah I literally did the exact same thing
But I did it right after the worst did
"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
We live in a twilight world. And there are no friends at dusk.
might come back to try again at some point but I really think that this kind of slow game isn't for me.
). when you're incorrectly pushed by someone, it's really valuable to ask yourself: is their case rubbish, or does it make sense? does it feel like a real thought they're actually having? etc.; It is in scum's best interest to mis-elim you, but unfortunately sometimes town will accidentally mis-elim you too. The best trick is to look for behavioural tells. There's a decent chance you already did this with me and just arrived at "scum", but I wanted to say it anyway 
