Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[the worst]

Can you link me to that game? I tried to find it in my own threads but could only find one where I was a VT (and replaced out !!!)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76766
Oops I seem to have confused you with some kind of secret agent

[the worst]

@tw: I am never getting mad at you for SRing me in ANY game. You can keep on doing this in the next million games we meet in and then see how many of them you've been spot on.

hey it worked fine for me in anuket topaz

[Almost50]

Ah! So THAT is why I couldn't find it here!

[Almost50]

@tw: I am never getting mad at you for SRing me in ANY game. You can keep on doing this in the next million games we meet in and then see how many of them you've been spot on.

hey it worked fine for me in anuket topaz

Yes it did, and now I need to make it NAI, hence my declaration.

[the worst]

I suppose I'll need to trust my sharp avian intuition

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: A50

I’m okay with this after the discusso re PR claim.

[the worst]

ditto

[Hoopla]

1-shot vig, you say?

even if we don't execute A50 today, i don't think we should try to direct his shot. if he's scum, he can easily ignore the direction if it doesn't suit them, and if he's town, it's better that scum don't know whether they should interfere with his shot or not.

i think i'm in agreement with this.

another reason to shoot is from the perspective of putting into odd-numbers for the rest of the game. his vig-shot - even if on town - doesn't come at the expense of a mis-execution, so it's essentially a free shot.

i am concerned about scum interference if the shot is declared, but i am equally concerned that A50 would be shooting with no reads.

perhaps a solution to ease both of these concerns is possible?

my idea: have the town select a pool of three top suspects. we don't need to full voting procedure, just get a rough idea and lock three people in.

A50 can ISO those three slots overnight and pick his top choice. this is much easier to manage than a full reread of the game. it also prevents him from shooting an obvtown mistakenly as town (or even brazenly as scum). this also creates enough doubt on who the vig-target is that scum may not know to waste an interfering role on A50.

if all three choices are town, scum can safely let the shot go through, but we should back the collective wisdom of the town and assume we nominate at least one scum, which leaves scum in a tricky situation laced with doubt.

and as i said before, worst case scenario, even if we lose a town player amongst (whether because of town inaccuracy/A50 being scum/scum redirecting), we still end up in an 11p game tomorrow instead of 12p. same amount of mis-executions.

thoughts?

[Green Crayons]

Or just elim A50

[Green Crayons]

anyone else smell the magnificent cologne of desperation?

I totally forgot how this setup worked, but now I remember. Nobody tell me what to do. Not whom to shoot and certainly not WHEN to do it. It's not just the redirector (who -btw- could interfere even if I was directed to shoot town, just to make it appear like I didn't follow the direction thus shading both myself and the original target). On top of the redirector there's the possibility of a 1-shot Commuter, a Roleblocker, a Scum Doctor or a JK, all of which can interfere with my shot.

So, let's keep it at this: I may or may not shoot tonight, and if I do it's someone of my own choice. That way if a redirector exists and wants to be on me the other TPR are guaranteed their results to -at least- be on their intended targets. If Scum want to block me then other TPRs will have their actions going through... etc, and there's no guarantee that I;m even going to shoot at all, so their redirection/RB'ing is a waste (especially the redirection which is 1-shot)

Like, I wouldn’t call it desperation, but 942 does seem like purposeful attempt to Be Present and Productive after A50 did a whole “I’m not going to do a lot of effort” intro.

[Hoopla]

Or just elim A50

we can do that tomorrow if need be.

there's a chance we learn more about his slot via N1's results, so we may not need to guess on his slot today.

and we're not burning a mis-execution by taking the chance.

[the worst]

anyone else smell the magnificent cologne of desperation?

I totally forgot how this setup worked, but now I remember. Nobody tell me what to do. Not whom to shoot and certainly not WHEN to do it. It's not just the redirector (who -btw- could interfere even if I was directed to shoot town, just to make it appear like I didn't follow the direction thus shading both myself and the original target). On top of the redirector there's the possibility of a 1-shot Commuter, a Roleblocker, a Scum Doctor or a JK, all of which can interfere with my shot.

So, let's keep it at this: I may or may not shoot tonight, and if I do it's someone of my own choice. That way if a redirector exists and wants to be on me the other TPR are guaranteed their results to -at least- be on their intended targets. If Scum want to block me then other TPRs will have their actions going through... etc, and there's no guarantee that I;m even going to shoot at all, so their redirection/RB'ing is a waste (especially the redirection which is 1-shot)

Like, I wouldn’t call it desperation, but 942 does seem like purposeful attempt to Be Present and Productive after A50 did a whole “I’m not going to do a lot of effort” intro.

and his effort is geared like, quite specifically towards survival.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count 1.11

Almost50(6) - Grumpy Cat, Hoopla, iamausername, word321, the worst, Green Crayons
Gypyx(3) - Iconeum, Datisi, DrDolittle
Umlaut(1) - Almost50
Dr Dolittle(1) - Clover Ebi
Something_Smart(1) - Gypyx
Clover Ebi(1) - Umlaut

Not Voting(1) - Something_Smart
With 14 alive, elimination requires 8 votes

Day ends in (expired on 2020-09-13 23:00:00)

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[Umlaut]

Or just elim A50

we can do that tomorrow if need be.

there's a chance we learn more about his slot via N1's results, so we may not need to guess on his slot today.

and we're not burning a mis-execution by taking the chance.

This sounds like you're saying you don't want to execute A50 today, but you're still voting him.

[DrDolittle]

SS remind me does it usually take this long for you to drop a vote

[DrDolittle]

Ftr im happy with where I am. I pref A50 on leash rather than lynching him right away. I will give a case on gyp after ico, but I want to see whether his thoughts and mine align

[DrDolittle]

Umlaut are you vanitying or have you just not had a chance to change votes yet

[Something_Smart]

SS remind me does it usually take this long for you to drop a vote

Yes. That's probably the most distinguishing feature of my play

[Iconeum]

Hi A50! Somehow your predecessor's wagon cooled down significantly after a hella shady replace-out, but I think (and I doubt I'm alone in this) that you should claim anyway.

i don't think it was that shady actually

last time i saw someone drop out under pressure, it turned out to be town so...

[the worst]

marquis didn't drop out under pressure tho

[Iconeum]

i wonder if more then 2 people on the A50 wagon even think the slot is scummy tbh

[Iconeum]

marquis didn't drop out under pressure tho

i kinda think they did?

and if not, what are these shady circumstances SS speaks of?

[the worst]

i'm curious too !

[Iconeum]

GYPYX CASE

, Ico style

Gypyx basicly got called out by datisi to do stuff, then it did stuff which didn't make sense, I called gypyx out on that, and then they just said smt like 'oh, in that case i have changed my mind and now have other reads'

73 76 78 are the foundation

79 and 81 i started looking into it

and finale: 88.

I think these are the most important posts regarding my early scumread on GYPYX.

There was a part where I unvoted because of gypyx' reaction to a fake hammer, but i missed the post where they confirmed they *knew* it was a fake hammer which renders the entire thing meaningless. Also, i'm being pushed for my pust on gypyx.

Later posts are definitely not improving the slot.

[the worst]

oh i could vote gypyx too, he's also scum. it's just funny voting a50.