Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

[Marashu]

Hadn't realized it'd been two days.

Someone fucking do something.

You said you were re-evaluating. What did you come up with?

[TemporalLich]

VC 4.3

chkflip (1) - PenguinPower [E-3]
Almost50 (1) - Hiraki [E-3]

Not voting: Marashu, dramonic, chkflip, Almost50

With 6 alive it takes 4 to exile.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2020-09-13 10:00:00) or when an exile is reached.

[Marashu]

Let's say we're wrong today. 4 people left on D5 (I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say I won't be seeing D5). If scum!Hiraki, isn't it in his best interest if 2/3 of the town have a solve that doesn't include him? It just takes 2 people being wrong for scum to win in that case.

Or is this a case where, if 2 people are universally scumread, including by each other, then it's more likely that this cohesion is manipulated, and town should be looking elsewhere?

[Hiraki]

I was of the same opinion as dram, but now I am second guessing myself and am considering Hiraki! His "solve" is most bizarre that it makes more sense if he is sly scum. He knows it's quite unlikely that I/dram get eliminated today. The point of him declaring us two as his solve would be to wash his hands off from the miselimination about to happen on either Chk/PP, so that he appears like the one person smart enough to realize it was a miselimination, AND to guarantee the 4-players ME-Lo has all "other" surviving players pointing fingers at each other and never suspecting him.

if im scum, why don't i just do this and vote chkflp?

He did the same thing with chemist.

?????????

@Hiraki, why would Mena's ISO influence PP being scum? Mena's slot was town.

aww shit, i'm dumb

Unvote

[Hiraki]

i legitimately for a solid 2 days thought that menalque flipped red with wolf but that was super stupid because we're looking for the last red

i need more zzz's

[PenguinPower]

?????????

im willing to make a mistake here but im gonna be so mad if i was right in the post game

Vote: Chemist

lol

[Hiraki]

it was labor day weekend man, don't @ me

[PenguinPower]

Don’t ??????? me then?

[Hiraki]

wait wait - are you saying i'm going to vote chkflip in the end?

[Hiraki]

i thought you were saying something completely different

[PenguinPower]

...

wut? I’m having a really tough time tracking your thought process here.

[Hiraki]

it's not easy when you don't say too much yourself

[PenguinPower]

Literally has no bearing in your thought process.

[Marashu]

No, after re-reading Jake's ISO I really don't see a case where Hiraki is Jake's partner. My POE right now has landed back into {PP, chkflip}. Jake and PP were defending each other quite a bit D1.

Jake never directly interacted with the chkflip slot, and only mentioned the slot a) saying it was null, and on the same line as (and after) Dunn in 1380, and b) putting gamma on the town side of null in the final read list where he was just scumreading anyone voting for him. TH also never directly interacted with Gamma. Gamma, in turn, tries to discredit and does a chainsaw defense against dram who is making a case for eliminating TH (481->525->528->538->545). Jake never interacted with chkflip because of when chkflip joined in so these associations are all with players who have subbed out, making it tougher to read. As Dunn pointed out, there is a bit of strange progression near the end.

On chkflip himself, 1893 feels like bragging. 1989 feels like fearmongering. I don't really like either of these from town!chkflip.

[PenguinPower]

tbf, I never defended Jake outside of my view of how the wagon formed. Also, I can count on two fingers the amount of times I have defended a scum buddy which is part of my hesitation on dram.

Though, if your going to put me in your poe, you should vote me today so I don’t have to go to f4/3 and deal with that.

[chkflip]

On chkflip himself, 1893 feels like bragging. 1989 feels like fearmongering. I don't really like either of these from town!chkflip.

How tf can that be bragging when most of that happened before I was even in the game?

[chkflip]

Ah, just looked back. I was here. That's funny.

[chkflip]

If it helps with people's reads you're more than welcome to knock me off. We don't need too many questionables in limlo.

[PenguinPower]

No no no. You don't get to swoop in here with that.

[PenguinPower]

god...i'm rethinking chkflip

UNVOTE:

[chkflip]

I would heavily suggest no elim tomorrow though to make it true limlo.

[PenguinPower]

well...yeah.

[chkflip]

Hadn't realized it'd been two days.

Someone fucking do something.

You said you were re-evaluating. What did you come up with?

Nothing. I still think it's dram. Nothing else makes sense to me.

[chkflip]

Mar, lining up lynches is a scum tell y/n?

[Almost50]

Ok, but with the gamestate the way it is, why would agreeing with chk/PP bring suspicion onto Hiraki? Likewise, why is standing out like this not drawing attention and raising suspicions?

I don't fully get the question (or rather.. I'm not sure I do, so please rephrase it if this is not what you're asking).

Q: Why would agreeing with chk/PP bring suspicion onto Hiraki?

A: I didn't say he was agreeing with them (and he is not, because -to my understanding- PP has Chk/Hiraki over A50/dram in his solve, and chk has PP/dram over A50/Hiraki). What i am saying is Hiraki -maybe- knows both PP/Chk are Town (because HE is the remaining Goon), and by declaring me/dram as his solve he is absolving himself of the miselimination about to fall on either of Chk/PP. he shoots you tonight and tomorrow he continues his push on me?dram while the survivor of Chk/PP pushes for dram/Hiraki; respectively. I should be on said survivor and so should dram (at least that's how it looked like back then), so he has a chance to quick!hammer once both I and dram had voted.

Q: Why is standing out like this not drawing attention and raising suspicions?

A: I am assuming you're asking about my changed stance?? If so, because I only considered Hiraki as a consequence to his odd PoE. I clearly had him down as Town earlier.

PP also brought to attention the fact Hiraki also was against the Chemist Elimination. From my own PoV it was the Elimination that would end the game on the spot. I didn't even pay much attention to analyzing anything else at the time because i thought the game was over, so -in retrospect- it was an odd stance too.

I am not saying Hiraki is 100% Scum here (I always struggle to read him properly) but I am now thinking he very well could be.