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[Fredrick A Campbell]

I think the scumteam is ItalianoVD and LavarManos.

[ItalianoVD]

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

[Casey]

Awake again!

Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?

Are you?

No. Is there some reason I should be?

[Casey]

I'm probably going to need a fellow townsperson to bounce ideas off with. I just finished doing VCA of D1 up to 1.06. I'm going to see if I can go the rest of the way through the day now.

Casey or Frederick, do you have any experience in VCA?

I don't, but I can try. What do I do?

Fred was the only living non-you player not on the Rocknil lim. Although what's the likelihood two maf would be the first two on a wagon in order to bully it across the finish line?

[Casey]

At this point I would be the second townie you overreacted to in an OMGUS [...]

VOTE: Frederick

I'd just like to point out the irony here.

Casey how did you know that this post was ironic?

Because you were the one who actually laid down an OMGUS vote. Fred hadn't voted you at this point.

[Casey]

I'm going to give everyone one more round of posts tomorrow before I dump my thoughts out. If you're the scum team this will probably be your last chance to change my mind.

These were the sources I used for understanding VCA:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... unting#VCA
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _VCA_Guide
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=VCA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=70951

I was hoping to find a greater variety of sources on the topic but it seems to be something more effective in the MafiaScum format.

This writer (or writers with similar names) predicted this information would become outdated as scum became familiar with the theory which I don't believe was the case at all in this game.

One of those sources looked like it was the same text.

These quotes suggest I just gave Fred townpoints for something I should have given him scumpoints for:

"

Town [lim]:
Look off the mis[lim] wagon.

The first place I look for scum on a mis[lim] is OFF the wagon--I try to determine how many scum (if any) there are, and who the probable candidates are. Sometimes, there are situations where there are none to be found, or far fewer to be found than expected...and in those situations, by virtue of doing this analysis, I have a better idea of how good or bad the mis[lim] wagon was.

[...]

Scum could EASILY vote park on a "push" going nowhere. The question is if the wagon ever did anything. If not, congrats, it's >rand scum voter.

"

I'm not totally convinced by this and I think it's dumb.

[Casey]

I am fine with that.
rocknil said he was going to look for the scum team though, so I think we should at least give him that chance to get his thoughts out in the case he is town. In fact, if he does flip town, I will be questioning my townreads on you and Italiano.
Casey seems fine.

Posts like these are what make me think Lavar is town.

But then I cross that with Italiano's sheer confidence and Fred's familiar aloofness and a "pick two" situation just makes me freeze up.

One of you just do something extremely townie or extremely scummy please. Or someone talk to me.

One day I will probably take aim, close my eyes, and snap-vote based on how my gut is feeling.

Gun to my head I'd say Fred/Lavar because I've been able to connect on a better level with Italiano.

[Frogsterking]

Alright I'm going to wait a little longer for Lavar to post his scum team

[Frogsterking]

Do the mafia have day chat?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Do the mafia have day chat?

Newbie games have had day chat since they last changed the setup I think.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?

[Frogsterking]

Do the mafia have day chat?

Newbie games have had day chat since they last changed the setup I think.

That's how todays posts look to me.

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?

I was thinking the same thing.

[Frogsterking]

I'm still waiting for Lavar to post his reads before I reveal the results of the VCA I did last night.

[Frogsterking]

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

What about Frederick?

[Frogsterking]

I have no read on Italiano but at this point I think I might cross my fingers and just hope he's town the same way I hope you are town.

I've also noticed that Redados N2 target hasn't come forward yet. From this comment I assume it's Italiano.

[ItalianoVD]

Awake again!

Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?

Are you?

No. Is there some reason I should be?

Just pointing out how you are pushing Frederick to do something you are not doing yourself.

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?

Ahh I see how that reads weird. So if I’m town and I scumread Lavar then a potential scumteam of he and I would not be right on my part and only true on his part. I worded it odd, but that was my sentiment.

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

What about Frederick?

Well yeah, Frederick already listed his scumteam.

I have no read on Italiano but at this point I think I might cross my fingers and just hope he's town the same way I hope you are town.

I've also noticed that Redados N2 target hasn't come forward yet. From this comment I assume it's Italiano.

Nope, not me.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Awake again!

Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?

Are you?

No. Is there some reason I should be?

Just pointing out how you are pushing Frederick to do something you are not doing yourself.

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?

Ahh I see how that reads weird. So if I’m town and I scumread Lavar then a potential scumteam of he and I would not be right on my part and only true on his part. I worded it odd, but that was my sentiment.

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

What about Frederick?

Well yeah, Frederick already listed his scumteam.

I have no read on Italiano but at this point I think I might cross my fingers and just hope he's town the same way I hope you are town.

I've also noticed that Redados N2 target hasn't come forward yet. From this comment I assume it's Italiano.

Nope, not me.

"Ahh I see how that reads weird. So if I’m town and I scumread Lavar then a potential scumteam of he and I would not be right on my part and only true on his part. I worded it odd, but that was my sentiment."

Fredrick's comprehension.exe has stopped responding...

I don't understand what you mean.

[ItalianoVD]

Aight sorry, let me try it again. You stated that you think the scumteam is Lavar and I. I stated that according to what you said, your theory is only halfway true because I am town.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If that was what you meant, why did you phrase it "if I'm town" though?

[ItalianoVD]

If that was what you meant, why did you phrase it "if I'm town" though?

It was supposed to read like a scenario.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote the following:

"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know if LavarManos was scum though?

[Frogsterking]

Apparently I was Redados N2 target lol

[Frogsterking]

And I can confirm that Redados is indeed town

[Casey]

Awake again!

Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?

Are you?

No. Is there some reason I should be?

Just pointing out how you are pushing Frederick to do something you are not doing yourself.

I am literally not doing that.

[Casey]

I just looked back at my ISO and yeah I have zero clue what you're talking about.