Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Ydrasse]

also, shelly, you've had iv as a townread for the majority of the day so far; what was the turning point for you, so to speak, to move away from that?

[Ydrasse]

HAH. mine.

[Ydrasse]

Who loves readlists? I do!

kerset: Shitposter, which is NAI. My gut says they are town though but not a lot to go on; I feel like scum would be more self aware and worried about being SR'd from shitposting, and the mason thing might be a unique way of rvs 3 other players to see reactions. TR.

Ydrasse: Mild scumtell mainly from gut but it's getting weaker as time passes, would vote over other TR but mostly null at this point. Their posts seem NAI though #49 was pretty townie. Null atm.

Andres: null, only posted once

Saudade: feels kinda scummy, especially his entrance and making an excuse to lurk like IV said, but it could just be his personality. His kerset attack seems really random and feels mildly scummy overall. SR.

Shellyc: Feels like her scumgame but it could also be recentcy bias so idk. I'd like to look a townie game from here actually, since they have q knack for appearing townie as scum naturally. Leaning null for now.

bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

teacher: kinda ignored their early wagon which is a lil weird. I'm glad he's calling out IV but honestly NAI at this point. The
vote at #90 seems so late and doesn't make sense. null for now

Menal: Why are they handing out TR/pockets so much? Seem self aware too. But I don't think a scum menal would throw pockets that much and be open about it, so I TR them.

IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

Taylor swift; agreeable lurker. Minor SR but need more to go off of. They've seem to have gone largely unnoticed so I'd like someone to pressure them at some point. SR overall

NDMath: null, only posted once

osuka: also going against IV without much explanation, most of his posts are about IV and I don't think he's trying to pocket me either since we expressed a SR on IV around the same time. Null for now

current SR is IV > Taylor > saudade

i actually found the one? game i think you've completed on here and am working off that information.

as town you seemed content to say 'idk' a lot regarding slots when you outted an initial reads list in that previous game, with more content in that one to boot. here, it feels like you're trying to fill up space with words that you really don't need to like you did in that post that pushed me to vote you.

do you feel nervous this game at all, or are you trying to put to use somehow the experience you've had to post more informed reads...? i admittedly get a sense of unsureness from this that feels like you're trying not to commit too much to things/not rock the boat (lil weird, kinda scummy, etc).

[PlusJOYED]

plusjoyed, could you link me to a town game + a scum game, please?

yeah
as VT: (replaced in day 2)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83887

I haven't rolled scum yet on this site, but I do have a game or 2 on another forum from about 5 years ago (hypixel). If you'd like that I can dig it up but I like to think my brain has developed more since then.

[Ydrasse]

i feel like 5 years is probably too much to get anything from, at least for me; i did find that game though!

[PlusJOYED]

Who loves readlists? I do!

kerset: Shitposter, which is NAI. My gut says they are town though but not a lot to go on; I feel like scum would be more self aware and worried about being SR'd from shitposting, and the mason thing might be a unique way of rvs 3 other players to see reactions. TR.

Ydrasse: Mild scumtell mainly from gut but it's getting weaker as time passes, would vote over other TR but mostly null at this point. Their posts seem NAI though #49 was pretty townie. Null atm.

Andres: null, only posted once

Saudade: feels kinda scummy, especially his entrance and making an excuse to lurk like IV said, but it could just be his personality. His kerset attack seems really random and feels mildly scummy overall. SR.

Shellyc: Feels like her scumgame but it could also be recentcy bias so idk. I'd like to look a townie game from here actually, since they have q knack for appearing townie as scum naturally. Leaning null for now.

bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

teacher: kinda ignored their early wagon which is a lil weird. I'm glad he's calling out IV but honestly NAI at this point. The
vote at #90 seems so late and doesn't make sense. null for now

Menal: Why are they handing out TR/pockets so much? Seem self aware too. But I don't think a scum menal would throw pockets that much and be open about it, so I TR them.

IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

Taylor swift; agreeable lurker. Minor SR but need more to go off of. They've seem to have gone largely unnoticed so I'd like someone to pressure them at some point. SR overall

NDMath: null, only posted once

osuka: also going against IV without much explanation, most of his posts are about IV and I don't think he's trying to pocket me either since we expressed a SR on IV around the same time. Null for now

current SR is IV > Taylor > saudade

i actually found the one? game i think you've completed on here and am working off that information.

as town you seemed content to say 'idk' a lot regarding slots when you outted an initial reads list in that previous game, with more content in that one to boot. here, it feels like you're trying to fill up space with words that you really don't need to like you did in that post that pushed me to vote you.

do you feel nervous this game at all, or are you trying to put to use somehow the experience you've had to post more informed reads...? i admittedly get a sense of unsureness from this that feels like you're trying not to commit too much to things/not rock the boat (lil weird, kinda scummy, etc).

As town I don't know who the scum are, and it's only page 10. I like readlists for discussion/first impressions but a lot of those guys like andres and Q I have to read null since they've posted very little. I'm mot that nervous no. I was nervous in that game since I replaced in day 2 and it was my first game in 5 years (and the other games I played were pretty night focused since we didn't really have VT's, were bastard, and we were all pretty young).

[Ydrasse]

my point was that yeah, it was only page 10 and you were saying a lot for a game that had relatively little, whereas in that newbie game you were content to say 'idk' towards slots rather than here where it's all prettied up with extra words.

even now you're doing it; "as town i don't know who the scum are" is an... obvious thing for us all? :>

[PlusJOYED]

I can see how you would see the discrepancy as being AI but in reality I just learned a lot from that first game and gained more confidence in my reads since they turned out pretty close. It's NAI but you don't have to believe me.

[PlusJOYED]

I also just like posting a bunch. I don't want to wait too long for stuff to happen, it's bad for town anyway when discussion is slow. Fortunately it's been pretty active

[Ydrasse]

okay. can you explain to me what your scumtells are?

p-edit: this game has been chaotic in a good way, i think.

[shellyc]

If someone scumcases me I am compelled to defend myself and/or point out the flaws in the person making the case

despite being SR by town!plusjoy scum!IV instead attempts to pocket them in order to convince plusjoy to get off them

[shellyc]

also, shelly, you've had iv as a townread for the majority of the day so far; what was the turning point for you, so to speak, to move away from that?

Around post 154 I began backtracking

[shellyc]

I can see how you would see the discrepancy as being AI but in reality I just learned a lot from that first game and gained more confidence in my reads since they turned out pretty close. It's NAI but you don't have to believe me.

IMO confidence is a scumtell

being confident indicates that you are sure about your reads

scum are INFORMED and know if they are right or wrong

[shellyc]

I am not backtracking on my plus TR yet

they are quite self aware and paranoid

[Ydrasse]

If someone scumcases me I am compelled to defend myself and/or point out the flaws in the person making the case

despite being SR by town!plusjoy scum!IV instead attempts to pocket them in order to convince plusjoy to get off them

...where is the pocketing happening though? iv outted a townread on plusjoyed and that's... about it? just because

you

would do something doesn't mean that someone else is going to react the same way.

you also seem very sure of this narrative. :<

[Ydrasse]

also, shelly, you've had iv as a townread for the majority of the day so far; what was the turning point for you, so to speak, to move away from that?

Around post 154 I began backtracking

then why did you say that iv's vibe in 228 was town? granted you say that 154 was 'cheesy' but that doesn't really imply much of a sr.

in 235 and 237 you affirm the iv townread again.

[shellyc]

look at my completed games

i post in a very sure attitude and it's not AI

154 indicates that they agree with my TR on them and instead of adding anything to it they just latch on and do nothing else.
283 says "only read TR" without a real explanation

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: shellyc

i'm not buying this, sorry.

[shellyc]

238 says I think their play was similar to my playthrough of 2019 (my first ever scumgame and first game in general)
I was very agreeable and sheeped many reads

btw the posts you list were BEFORE I read their ISO. before that I went with my gut and after that I started analysing things in detail

[shellyc]

your decision

my pure townie energy will shine through

[Ydrasse]

the posts were before your reread, but you also just said you were already in the process of reconsidering things again as of 154.

again, you're also projecting /your/ playstyle onto someone else.

[shellyc]

I highlghted the post that made me change my mind

not the time that I began changing my mind

is that a problem though?

[Ydrasse]

alright, then.

and also i think so, personally; you're not accounting for the different ways that someone might want to play as town/scum and it narrows down the ways you might read them. it's fine to borrow and compare from your own experiences but iv is an entirely different player.

if you could, could you try to explain what you think iv gains from this playstyle if iv is scum?

[PlusJOYED]

It varies person to person and case by case basis, and instinct/gut plays a pretty big role.

General scumtells are safe play, excessive agreeability or desire to please, pocketing, solves/reads are either too flexible or too rigid, not coming across as genuine/appearing to have ulterior motives outside of solving, and/or trying too hard to appear town among other things

This next part is flawed logic, however...
If a player comes across to me as experienced and/or has a join date before 2016 I hold them to a higher standard. They can probably appear town or scum to an extent how they wish. So depending on this I may insert a level of WIFOM to them if they appear partly town or scum depending on circumstance. I.E. an experienced player obvscumming but appears to be solving their way is likely town and an experienced obvtown player with a few cracks of scumtells is likely scum to me.

Headed to bed for now

[shellyc]

I have a join date of 2020 yet you apply wifom to me

I take that as a compliment

this is not the mafia discussion forum though