Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[Almost50]

I refuse to share and demand to be ALONE in that bottom tier (preferably with a separate entrance than that of the whole building)

[Almost50]

Oh, and the backyard is mine-all-mine too

[the worst]

very well, wish granted; I shall be leaving my vote on Gypyx

[Gypyx]

gypyx

why do you think s_s is s_scum

like i have a Thing that is bothering me about s_s but i don't thnik that my Thing is why you allegedly think he is scum

can you

Elaborate

Well, he hasn't voted all game, i've had some gut pings with him, and the way he's defending me just feels like him position himself to look good when i'll flip without actually going against my lynch

[Datisi]

i don't think the "hasn't voted" is a scumtell

can you elaborate on 2 and 3?

[Almost50]

@Gypyx: PM me your.... WAIT! That would ALSO be breaking the rules.

OK, how about you ASK THE MOD to forward me your Role PM? I promise to make my mind up accordingly.

[iamausername]

nah actually

VOTE: Almost50

i'm not exactly going to shed any tears for Gypyx if that is the way we end up going, but i really think this has a better chance of hitting scum

[Almost50]

Good vote. I might be inclined to sheep you.

[Almost50]

Actually, I have a brilliant idea: How about we eliminate someone else, and I shoot Gypyx tonight, and eat rope tomorrow anyway? This offer expires in 24 hours.

[Almost50]

23:59

[Almost50]

23:58

[Almost50]

23:57

[Gypyx]

i don't think the "hasn't voted" is a scumtell

can you elaborate on 2 and 3?

2 : well, that's mostly early-game things, but i read his entrance as kinda forced, the way he reacts to meta talk is imo survivalist (going for arguing against lynching his own category) and pretty sure i had other stuff in mind but i'm tired


3 : well, look at his recent ISO, his posts about me are basically him soft-defending me, then backing off almost imedialy, repeat for 10 posts, that just doesn't seem right

[iamausername]

I totally forgot how this setup worked, but now I remember. Nobody tell me what to do. Not whom to shoot and certainly not WHEN to do it. It's not just the redirector (who -btw- could interfere even if I was directed to shoot town, just to make it appear like I didn't follow the direction thus shading both myself and the original target). On top of the redirector there's the possibility of a 1-shot Commuter, a Roleblocker, a Scum Doctor or a JK, all of which can interfere with my shot.

So, let's keep it at this: I may or may not shoot tonight, and if I do it's someone of my own choice. That way if a redirector exists and wants to be on me the other TPR are guaranteed their results to -at least- be on their intended targets. If Scum want to block me then other TPRs will have their actions going through... etc, and there's no guarantee that I;m even going to shoot at all, so their redirection/RB'ing is a waste (especially the redirection which is 1-shot)

Actually, I have a brilliant idea: How about we eliminate someone else, and I shoot Gypyx tonight, and eat rope tomorrow anyway? This offer expires in 24 hours.

come on

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: A50

[Hoopla]

i'm here and checking in.

a little behind but will properly catch up soon.

a quick comment: i think i now dislike my idea of leashing the A50 vig and prefer just actually eliminating him today. i found the worst's posts about his behaviour convincing.

my gut says the gypyx wagon is a red herring, who needs a stern lecturing to cut that nonsense out. it's suicidal as either alignment, and if he's town, i want him to pull his head in.

[Almost50]

I totally forgot how this setup worked, but now I remember. Nobody tell me what to do. Not whom to shoot and certainly not WHEN to do it. It's not just the redirector (who -btw- could interfere even if I was directed to shoot town, just to make it appear like I didn't follow the direction thus shading both myself and the original target). On top of the redirector there's the possibility of a 1-shot Commuter, a Roleblocker, a Scum Doctor or a JK, all of which can interfere with my shot.

So, let's keep it at this: I may or may not shoot tonight, and if I do it's someone of my own choice. That way if a redirector exists and wants to be on me the other TPR are guaranteed their results to -at least- be on their intended targets. If Scum want to block me then other TPRs will have their actions going through... etc, and there's no guarantee that I;m even going to shoot at all, so their redirection/RB'ing is a waste (especially the redirection which is 1-shot)

Actually, I have a brilliant idea: How about we eliminate someone else, and I shoot Gypyx tonight, and eat rope tomorrow anyway? This offer expires in 24 hours.

come on

what if I'm trolling and really don't care (which I am)??

[the worst]

VOTE: a50
i repeat: they are both scum

[Hoopla]

VOTE: a50
i repeat: they are both scum

i'm persuaded by the argument that gypyx-scum would have at least ~some~ level of guilt preventing him from self-destructing in such spectacular fashion. you're directly letting down two teammates who you've been in close quarters with - whereas, as town, you don't really know who you're letting down, so it's easier to not care.

i would bet good money on gypyx being town.

having said all that, i used similar logic to falsely clear him (in mini 2146) based on an action i didn't think scum would make, so he may just be one of those special characters. this one does feel different, though.

[the worst]

gypyx isn't powerful or loud as scum but he is audiacious.
gypyx isn't powerful or loud in this game but he is audacious.

the scumclaim isn't a ~towny move~. it's not a ~scummy move~. it's transparently a reaction test, same as his test to being fakehammered before.
can town do reaction tests? yes, to try and sort players.
can scum do reaction tests? yes, to try and look towny.
so what do we make of the fact his evaluation of reactions to his reaction test is shitty?

i acknowledge the reasoning that gypyx wouldn't gamethrow as scum. he's not banned, so i agree he's not a thrower. i absolutely refute the reasoning that because he's not gamethrowing, he's towny.

[Hoopla]

i wouldn't be surprised about his alignment either way. my call on him being townie is mostly gut. consider your points heard & noted.

i think we probably have a juicier fish on the line in A50, anyhow.

[the worst]

that's respectable, i think it's pretty hard to nail his alignment from the content here.
my yelling that he's scum with a50 is heavily influenced by the facts it makes sense, and i have a lot of townreads.

i suppose i have more issues with the assumption that he's town than i do with the idea of people not-scumreading him

[the worst]

is it bad i think #1120 is towny for a generally noncommittal read on a slot who everyone seems to have a committal read on ....... ?

[Something_Smart]

I think so?

[Datisi]

and i have a lot of townreads.

can you refresh me on this if it's public knowledge pls