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[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 2.2

WaltertheDunce10(1)

~ Looker(3)

Looker(1)

~ Tayl0r Swift(18)

callforjudgement(1)

~ Frogsterking(14)


Not Voting (8): ItalianoVD(15), callforjudgement(8), Gamma Emerald(4), geraintm(3), Raya36(10), Nosferatu(3), RCEnigma(5), WaltertheDunce10(4)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-22 17:44:55)

FLAVOR

[RCEnigma]

While that is a lot of power that I definitely could have pushed a lynch through with.

I'm retracting my claim. @Taylor I'm not really gunning for you any more I think your reaction was pretty genuine, interesting you brought up the ascetic modifier because I do believe scum to be ascetic or Walter is just scum.

Mostly this was to prevent wiggle room for scum in the worst case and force a head to head in the best.

Doesn't change my position that burning off wagon probably ends the game.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok and im back to having enigma as scum. you outed me as PR and there were better ways of getting everyone to claim whether they were in a PT. you also didnt answer the question about whether you are ascetic. VOTE: enigma

[RCEnigma]

Going on VC's alone I'd probably go CFJ today. For CFJ to be town AND have banana NOT position themselves on wagon would require an sjreaver + nos team.

Since we know for sure at the height of the CFJ wagon (E-2) Banana was off wagon and Raya had expressed CFJ as a top scumread while vote parking elsewhere. It wouldn't have taken much for scum to push that wagon through.

[RCEnigma]

ok and im back to having enigma as scum. you outed me as PR and there were better ways of getting everyone to claim whether they were in a PT. you also didnt answer the question about whether you are ascetic. VOTE: enigma

Uhh, no I didn't. You brought up claiming hoods so it would make your role make sense.

This was before I claimed.

[RCEnigma]

at this point it may be helpful for everyone to claim whether or not they are in a neighborhood. no need to claim neighbors, but it would be very helpful for me to understand my role. i can claim/explain everything or at least something based on what people say.

Since we're making assumptions.

Assumption 1: frog is in a hood
Assumption 2: this game is not 9-4
Assumption 3: I can end this game by day 3 potentially.

I'm a PT cop and have a result on someone that is not frog/walter/Italiano.

For reference.

[RCEnigma]

Walter has been scum read in every game I've seen him play. The man has a flair for being miseliminated.

No updated VC, I see. Give me time to see what you've been up to and find out how easy it is to slip under the radar.

This is helpful info. Is there a reason you can put your finger onto why Woolter seems to be scum read a lot?

He has a sparse posting style and doesn't engage in much of the back-and-forth other posters do that make them sticky* in other's minds. He's poor at defending himself because he tends to remain calm and level-headed. His reads are average but he's not the best at making a case, so other town posters tend to value him less.

In the first game I played with him, it was the end of D1 and we were one vote away from eliminating Walter. He came off as being okay with it. The reason we caught scum was that rolling him was so nice and easy, they made a 'jokey' post that obvscum mindset.

If it's not clear, I'm currently townreading him. Because of the consistency in his playstyle, I'll probably lock that in for D1 and then revisit it D2 when we have a flip and I can see how he positions himself.


*It's somewhat tangential, but group psychology often favors people who provoke any sort of emotional reaction, even slightly negative ones.

Can you do me a favor

Can you carry me in your enormously giant townie backpack to victory?

This is definitely not a new scum v new scum interaction.

[RCEnigma]

I'm also not ascetic no.

[Nosferatu]

{italiano, frogster}
{ts, walter, rce}
{looker, gamma, geraint}
{cfg}
{raya}

where im at right now

VOTE: looker

[callforjudgement]

While that is a lot of power that I definitely could have pushed a lynch through with.

I'm retracting my claim. @Taylor I'm not really gunning for you any more I think your reaction was pretty genuine, interesting you brought up the ascetic modifier because I do believe scum to be ascetic or Walter is just scum.

Mostly this was to prevent wiggle room for scum in the worst case and force a head to head in the best.

Doesn't change my position that burning off wagon probably ends the game.

I'm not sure this is a sufficient explanation of why you made the fakeclaim.

Fakeclaiming as town is nearly always a bad idea (even if you retract it before anything bad happens); for example, it can draw counterclaims that let scum figure out the gamestate, or worse it can end up turning the town's anger towards you.

That said, although fakeclaiming as town is a bad idea, sometimes people think it's a good idea, and that they have reasons. #951 doesn't seem like enough for anyone who isn't an outright troll, though. What

was

the reason you fakeclaimed? (Obviously one plausible explanation is that you're scum and were hoping to make use of the confusion to out power roles and/or hope that someone claimed to be in a neighbourhood so that you could claim your guilty was on them, so the onus is rather on you to show an alternative.)

VOTE: RCEnigma pending an explanation.

[callforjudgement]

Also, why did you say that you assumed that Frogsterking was in a neighbourhood? Do you still have that assumption after the retracted claim? Or was that part of a fakeclaim gambit somehow?

[callforjudgement]

at this point it may be helpful for everyone to claim whether or not they are in a neighborhood. no need to claim neighbors, but it would be very helpful for me to understand my role. i can claim/explain everything or at least something based on what people say.

I assume this is still valid, given that it was made before RCEnigma's post?

[Looker]

• I'm not seeing the benefit of these pseudo-claims. RCE lied, Tayl0r's hinting, and Italiano still hasn't said who he targeted. None of this is trustworthy.

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Going on VC's alone I'd probably go CFJ today. For CFJ to be town AND have banana NOT position themselves on wagon would require an sjreaver + nos team.

Is this statement why Nosferatu suddenly voted me with no reason?

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• I'm finding it difficult to trust the subjective nature of Tayl0r's posts. Especially since her overconfidence in RCE has fell through. I don't see how geraintm's posts have "towntold". And softclaims don't equal confirmation for me.
  
• Flavor is hilarious. More butter.
  
• Can anyone interpret Nosferatu's readslist and explain to me why he's voting me over Raya? (Or voting me at all)

[RCEnigma]

Can't speak for nos but glad we agree it's likely cfj + Raya

VOTE: CFJ

[Tayl0r Swift]

{italiano, frogster}
{ts, walter, rce}
{looker, gamma, geraint}
{cfg}
{raya}

where im at right now

VOTE: looker

youre voting for someone in the middle of your readlist?

[Tayl0r Swift]

my solve is definitely enigma and looker, but raya is the third in the PoE.

[Tayl0r Swift]

UNVOTE:
reading

Weird opening imo. This is pure gut but more than a bit scummy to me

does this look like a distancing play from inexperienced scum to anyone?

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: RCEnigma

I wanna dance too!

interesting choice for rvs vote. nothing really by itself, but does anyone know if scum are more or less likely to RVS vote their buddy? its just interesting that this vote is on one of my top scumreads.

I'm with it VOTE: SJReaper

Could you point out what you view as scummy exactly from SJ?

this struck me. its either lazy scum struggling to find reasons to scumread anyone, or its an attempt to defend a buddy. i actually lean towards the former, which vindicates looker somewhat.

VOTE: Nosferatu

I'm not buying the sobriety excuse because I'm town and posting anyway right now. Nosferatu's post seems a little lurky and overconcerned. Like he thinks he can get away with it for an ML or two.

COJ seems overly concerned with Not_Mafia. I feel like he would be able to think more critically if he stopped mentioning Not_Mafia.

COJ and Not_Mafia nominated themselves for town leader and town "anti-town" and seem well suited for their roles respectively.

WaltertheDunce10 seems like he likes Twitter or LinkedIn or both.

Nosferatu seems like he's trying to lurk and be overreactive and get town read for it by being hipster. Like Nosferatu is saying to himself "I have two or three other scum buddies, it's D1, nothing really to do, let me just throw this out there."

I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Tbh this vote feels like a pretty bad excuse for a vote. And the reaction feels forced.

VOTE: Frogsterking

chainsaw defense of nos

[callforjudgement]

Can't speak for nos but glad we agree it's likely cfj + Raya

VOTE: CFJ

You haven't answered my questions.

I have another: have you fakeclaimed as town before? The closest I could find was Newbie 1903, where you fake-breadcrumbed a role, planning to fakeclaim it (but another townie who actually had the role claimed it first), and had a long explanation of what was going through your mind at the time. I'd expect an actual fakeclaim to have a similar story/post behind it, especially if you had something like that for a soft. (Are there examples I've missed where you fakeclaimed a role as town and then had no explanation when you were called on it?)

[callforjudgement]

I'm finding it difficult to trust the subjective nature of Tayl0r's posts. Especially since her overconfidence in RCE has fell through.

Could you clarify the second sentence here? I don't understand what you mean.

[Nosferatu]

{italiano, frogster}
{ts, walter, rce}
{looker, gamma, geraint}
{cfj}
{raya}

where im at right now

VOTE: looker

youre voting for someone in the middle of your readlist?

gotta sort them somehow i dont think any more pressure on cfj is doing anything

[Nosferatu]

Can anyone interpret Nosferatu's readslist and explain to me why he's voting me over Raya? (Or voting me at all)

{town}
{nulltown}
{null}
{nullscum}
{scum}

[Raya36]

I feel like there's a pretty good chance scum is between cfj or Walter though

Why this, exactly?

It's based mainly on my scumread of them both. However cfj cases Walter in 869 which makes me feel like there's one between the two but not both.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Can anyone interpret Nosferatu's readslist and explain to me why he's voting me over Raya? (Or voting me at all)

{town}
{nulltown}
{null}
{nullscum}
{scum}

so youre saying youre voting a null slot over a scum slot?
explain

[Raya36]

I don't trust RCE at all after that fake claim. There was 0 benefit to town