Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

[Bell]

That is a sad story.

[Isis]

my cousin went to st. andrews for college/university
i hope your school is a good st.andrews rival twee

but if it has less trig power it's not cause trig is awesome
UNIT CIRCLE
sports don't matter
but brits like the kickball
i tried to talk to hectic about mario tennis in a scum pt
and he barely responded]
cause he wanted me to namedrop mario strikers obvii obvi

[tea leaves]

I've read some really old games with Glork and he seemed like a great guy. Playing every mafia game like it's your last isn't a bad philosophy at all and actively forces people to improve at their scumgame.

[Isis]

That is a sad story.

glork has a strictly positive legacy on site. a lot of users have mixed legacy onsite, somehow those users didn't get cancer; i have never heard anything negative about glork.

iI am sad I only played one game with Glork, but I am extremely glad I played more than zero games with glork, and more than zero games aligned with glork.

he was a very very proficient player.

,

[tea leaves]

I haven't played Mario Tennis #.#
Had you talked to me about Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games I'd be giving you essays on optimal javelin throw strats

[Morning Tweet]

But self-meta is so valuable for you two read me in future games. Maybe my philosophy should be to play every mafia game like it's the last though?

Biggest indicator I want to give you is that as scum I feel the need to be relatively consistent and have quite unchanging reads. My progressions are gradual and you can see how stuff is changing, albeit very gradually. You can see this in Your Nightmare, or my Replacement for Sujimichi game off the top of my head.

Here I have multiple sharp turns in reads and progressions all over the place.

haha i just say exactly how it is and give every reason i can think of as to why it's so obvious to me that im not scum in every single game

I would literally hand people the key to solving me if necessary

it sounds like something that would negatively impact my scum game but I haven't really had a chance to find out. maybe it would. or maybe i figure something out. unsure

[Isis]

I don't know that Glork was a major proponent of playing every game like it's your last, to be clear.
It's a concept I've heard, and adopted, indepent of him

i just know he did play a game -as-his last

it would not be fair to project beliefs onto him he didn't hold, maybe he felt for people who could assess their own life expectancy at ~20 years he thought playing a meta that maximized future wins was good, I don't agree with that view but he would be totally entitled to it and it wouldn't be a view I would disrespect/condescend to.

I just feel more invigorated about my pet view about playing every mafia game like your last after knowing he played a mafia game as his last is what I am saying/said

[Bell]

Be like ydrasse, make clear, easy digestible self meta and then in the next game do the exact opposite of what you said you would do.

[Morning Tweet]

It won’t burn you this time. But yeah, I can be a sucker for them too.

i highly resent this line if you're scum

add that to the growing list of lines im mad abt in the event ur scum

Arsonists are actually really nice people and I'm quite sad that we've resorted to hunting them down in this fashion. It's freezing cold out there at night. They need logs and a campfire, all they want is some warmth! We're monsters.

we are made of logs

u want them to dismember us? just so they can warm their butts up a little bit?

A tragedy, this game may end with the arsonist also dying in a fire.

That was my reads list and solve by the way.
GT > IS > MT > tea > farren in terms of likelihood.

You’re welcome MT.

thank youu

[Morning Tweet]

Be like ydrasse, make clear, easy digestible self meta and then in the next game do the exact opposite of what you said you would do.

Grr

[Isis]

I haven't played Mario Tennis #.#
Had you talked to me about Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games I'd be giving you essays on optimal javelin throw strats

kthat game like review 2/10 stars or something awful

if you want me to play it, i will mail you a disc for sonic 2006, you can mail me the similarly awful game in exchange

[Isis]

MT hsbr i made any lines this game that would make you mad if i was scum?

[Morning Tweet]

MT hsbr i made any lines this game that would make you mad if i was scum?

lots of stuff that would surprise me but i don't recall you saying anything like "Don't worry, you're not wrong this time, I'm not scum"-- so probably not

[Isis]

i like both green treefolk and black bats is that ok?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!!?

[Morning Tweet]

ok i think that is acceptable ya

just nevr forget about the bats

[tea leaves]

Huh, it's so strange that my view of Isis is pretty UTR-ey for the most part, but she's actually 3 separate player's top scumreads. I wonder if I'm throwing.

[tea leaves]

I haven't played Mario Tennis #.#
Had you talked to me about Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games I'd be giving you essays on optimal javelin throw strats

kthat game like review 2/10 stars or something awful

if you want me to play it, i will mail you a disc for sonic 2006, you can mail me the similarly awful game in exchange

I'll mail you Shadow the Hedgehog. Look, I know guns in a Sonic game is unusual but the game has like 16! different endings. You're basically playing real life at that point.

[tea leaves]

But self-meta is so valuable for you two read me in future games. Maybe my philosophy should be to play every mafia game like it's the last though?

Biggest indicator I want to give you is that as scum I feel the need to be relatively consistent and have quite unchanging reads. My progressions are gradual and you can see how stuff is changing, albeit very gradually. You can see this in Your Nightmare, or my Replacement for Sujimichi game off the top of my head.

Here I have multiple sharp turns in reads and progressions all over the place.

haha i just say exactly how it is and give every reason i can think of as to why it's so obvious to me that im not scum in every single game

I would literally hand people the key to solving me if necessary

it sounds like something that would negatively impact my scum game but I haven't really had a chance to find out. maybe it would. or maybe i figure something out. unsure

Why is it obvious you're not scum in this game?? I think it forces people to improve and adapt their town-meta into their scumgame, so I think it's actually a good thing for improving it.

Also, did my self-meta sway you at all?

[Dunnstral]

Ydrasse assumes no cc because she knows I'm town

sure but then why doesn't she immediately re-place her vote? She waited for several townies to claim didn't she? (not actually a rhetorical question mark i'm not 100% on whether her activity pattern just randomly made her show up after Dunn claim and all no-ccs- except dunn)

the explanation would be GL is partner?

i agree it's not the kind of thing you would completely base a vote on

i just have found town indicative things about every other slot

and idk if I understand why GL vs. Ydrasse isn't a false dilemma

I'm not super confident either way on GL

[Farren]

Ydrasse assumes no cc because she knows I'm town

Does she, though, in a no day-talk setup? At least, if her partner is last in line to claim and could theoretically counterclaim?

That'd be another piece of evidence that it's not Ydrasse|GL. If GL is her partner, she can't know there's no counterclaim coming even though she knows Dunnstral's town. The only way she knows there's no cc coming is if GL is Town as well.

[Farren]

bell convinced me a little bit about ydrasse bussing tea first without daytalk but i guess maybe still tea

teascum is my soulread

How consistent would you say you've been on this since you first formed this read?

[Farren]

I now think Morning is obvtown lol

My push was clearly needed to draw this towny reaction so gonna call my tunnel-induce calculated

Can you explain this further?

[Farren]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

+1 for this.

Not because I think you're voting scum, but because I was wondering why you weren't doing this already when it looked like you should have been based on your posts.

[Farren]

Tea do like, a tiny lil self meta case

Like when Bell said "I would never go out of my way to give my scum partner a hard time upon entering the game where they're not even under any pressure. I'm just not that kind of player"

im a sucker for that kind of defence despite it burning me at least once or twice

Self-meta is best used when desperate, whether Town or scum.

[Farren]

But self-meta is so valuable for you two read me in future games. Maybe my philosophy should be to play every mafia game like it's the last though?

Biggest indicator I want to give you is that as scum I feel the need to be relatively consistent and have quite unchanging reads. My progressions are gradual and you can see how stuff is changing, albeit very gradually. You can see this in Your Nightmare, or my Replacement for Sujimichi game off the top of my head.

Here I have multiple sharp turns in reads and progressions all over the place.

And this would be a good example.

At face value, this is totally logical. Scum do frequently value consistency, because there's this picture of scum being willing to eliminate anyone that isn't them or their partner(s). So to counter that impression, they have to look like they're actually trying to solve, and as a result they have to approach it more ... methodically is the best word, I think. While Town can be all over the place. Mind changing twenty times a second. Is this it? no, that's it. Wait, what about this?

Self-awareness at least *can* destroy it, though. Knowing that trying to be too consistent is a trap as scum, so instead of trying to emulate logical progression, instead going for trying to emulate chaos and confusion.

Backsliding into old patterns can sometimes reveal scum. But then you have to consider the possibility of consistency being the point of actually reaching that moment of clarity - the point where the chaos *stops* - and it's all obvious. The answers, laid bare.

And then half the time it's wrong.

I love this game sometimes.

And then trying to judge this takes on extra levels - like, if it were unprompted, I'd lean scummy. But it wasn't unprompted; it was specifically asked for.

It feels honest. That's the best I can do.