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[LavarManos]

I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.

Oh wait this is true because they were killing Redados that night, so it would make sense to just have one member perform both tasks. Since they killed Redados, any motion detected would be fatal, so they would want to keep motion to a minimum?

[Frogsterking]

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

I was coming round to townreading ItalianoVD again, actually.

Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?

I was thinking the same thing about you and how adamant you were about town reading Italiano, Lavar. That's why I was curious about your ideas about scum play. I wasn't sure if you would town read Italiano as a form of meta-distancing. It seems now as though you are aware enough to make such a play.

[Frogsterking]

I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.

Oh wait this is true because they were killing Redados that night, so it would make sense to just have one member perform both tasks. Since they killed Redados, any motion detected would be fatal, so they would want to keep motion to a minimum?

Yes if they visit two places only a scum could do that confirming them to the tracker, also they may not choose to use the role report the night before the lylo if they already confirmed 1 pr.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

I was coming round to townreading ItalianoVD again, actually.

Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?

I believe I have never been scum on this account.

[Frogsterking]

I've wanted to believe that both of you were town for a couple of days now.

[Frogsterking]

A couple of days IRL not since D1 of this game.

[LavarManos]

ok, I am fine with voting Casey soon. I believe LYLO with her will be much more annoying in f3 rather than right now.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So, what do you think about Casey, LavarManos?

[Frogsterking]

ok, I am fine with voting Casey soon. I believe LYLO with her will be much more annoying in f3 rather than right now.

Ok, why do you say so?

[LavarManos]

So, what do you think about Casey, LavarManos?

I think she is the last scum, but it is fair play to let her say some things in her defense first.

ok, I am fine with voting Casey soon. I believe LYLO with her will be much more annoying in f3 rather than right now.

Ok, why do you say so?

She seems like a capable player who could convince Fred as scum.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Casey as scum does not make sense given how much she questioned the scumread on you.

[LavarManos]

Casey as scum does not make sense given how much she questioned the scumread on you.

She could be trying to pocket me right.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Seems more like she was trying to be sure that we have considered the potential evidence against the case that you are scum.

[Frogsterking]

Casey as scum does not make sense given how much she questioned the scumread on you.

Fmpov Italiano and Casey were hoping that I would vote you today because of our interaction D2, and they've both been not-subtly pushing for that outcome today. I felt like Casey's questions were more of a question of you than of a question of Lavar. There wasn't really a bit of me that doubted Casey would hammer Lavar in a heartbeat today.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

I have not really noticed Casey doing so, though.

[Frogsterking]

I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is

Lavar and Casey

, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

I am fine with that.
rocknil said he was going to look for the scum team though, so I think we should at least give him that chance to get his thoughts out in the case he is town. In fact, if he does flip town, I will be questioning my townreads on you and Italiano.
Casey seems fine.

Posts like these are what make me think Lavar is town.

But then I cross that with Italiano's sheer confidence and Fred's familiar aloofness and a "pick two" situation just makes me freeze up.

One of you just do something extremely townie or extremely scummy please. Or someone talk to me.

One day I will probably take aim, close my eyes, and snap-vote based on how my gut is feeling.

Gun to my head I'd say

Fred/Lavar

because I've been able to connect on a better level with Italiano.

I'm reading both of these posts as fence sitting, pushing for a townie lynch while distancing from each other, and they put the name first of the townie they're hoping gets lynched because they are listing in order of operations.

[Frogsterking]

I guess it's awkward because either way one of Casey and Lavar were pretending have a townread on Italiano and Italiano bussed one of them, unless Fred is scum and decided not to use a night action N1.

I guess lynching Italiano today clears up some things because if he's the goon it would cast some doubt on Frederick choosing not to perform any night actions N1.

[Frogsterking]

I was planning to vote Casey tonight but I guess I will choose to sleep off the remaining alcohol instead. For what it's worth I thought both of your reactions to the real reports were townie enough.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If we are assuming that the scumteam had always used both their night actions, ItalianoVD is definitely a goon.

[Casey]

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

Neat.

Both MagikHorse and Casey voted Italiano as a single-person BW and interacted with him and nothing ever came of it before joining mainstream BWs.

First guesses always best guesses.

I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.

You're coming at this in a way suggesting that mafia played in some perfect or robotic way. I wouldn't rule that out. They'd have to know what row and column they're in ahead of time and with my stellar powers of logic I don't see how that's possible.

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

I was coming round to townreading ItalianoVD again, actually.

Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?

Is... is this... effort?

I was planning to vote Casey tonight but I guess I will choose to sleep off the remaining alcohol instead. For what it's worth I thought both of your reactions to the real reports were townie enough.

Why would you not vote the obvious maf? That's what the university you linked says to do.

[Casey]

So I'm confused and concerned that I'm even being considered for the chopping block. Really don't know how to even begin with that.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

Neat.

Both MagikHorse and Casey voted Italiano as a single-person BW and interacted with him and nothing ever came of it before joining mainstream BWs.

First guesses always best guesses.

I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.

You're coming at this in a way suggesting that mafia played in some perfect or robotic way. I wouldn't rule that out. They'd have to know what row and column they're in ahead of time and with my stellar powers of logic I don't see how that's possible.

So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2

I was coming round to townreading ItalianoVD again, actually.

Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?

Is... is this... effort?

I was planning to vote Casey tonight but I guess I will choose to sleep off the remaining alcohol instead. For what it's worth I thought both of your reactions to the real reports were townie enough.

Why would you not vote the obvious maf? That's what the university you linked says to do.

I believe we will. But I also believe it is wise to use the remaining time to find the potential scum partner.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

So, Casey, what do you think of LavarManos?

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Also, with these new results, who do you think is the scum team now?

[Casey]

Well, I would feel a lot more comfortable if you didn't come off as dismissive with everything I pose to you.