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[WaltertheDunce10]

I am pretty sure though that Raya may be scum.
There is nothing I see that makes me go yes town in iso.
VOTE: Raya

[geraintm]

I don't get this vig theory at all. I agree that it is weird. Maybe CFJ thinks that people think that he killed NM? That still does not explain this theory though

I didnt think it...until he went to great lengths to say he had no idea why it happened

[WaltertheDunce10]

Why would town CFJ need to be so freaked out about the kill?

[Looker]

V/LA over the weekend

(I finally have shit to do! )

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• Gamma says I called myself scum, but I didn't. I offered an alternate interpretation of shelly's actions for Tayl0r Swift.
  
• Are the remaining scum Gamma and Frogsterking? Is this like a game show? Do I get a prize for guessing right?
  (Yeah, lol, an NK!)

VOTE: Frogsterking shelly, Italiano, and WaltertheDunce are the only people who have voted you. Could shelly have been distancing

[callforjudgement]

Why has Looker not expressed a read on me all D2 (even if they'd prefer to vote elsewhere)? Moving to Frogster, especially when the conversation's been mostly about me recently, is a surprise; I would expect Looker to be defending me if they had a townread, and voting me otherwise.

VOTE: Looker

[Looker]

who are you

[Looker]

And only one person is voting you - you don't seem to be a point of contention

[Looker]

But mostly, who are you and why should I care?

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 2.4

Raya36(3)

~ RCEnigma(17), Tayl0r Swift(34), WaltertheDunce10(10)

Looker(3)

~ Nosferatu(13), Gamma Emerald(19), callforjudgement(26)

RCEnigma(2)

~ Raya36(26), geraintm(12)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ ItalianoVD(25)

Frogsterking(1)

~ Looker(10)

callforjudgement(1)

~ Frogsterking(24)


Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2020-09-22 17:44:55)

[callforjudgement]

at this point it may be helpful for everyone to claim whether or not they are in a neighborhood. no need to claim neighbors, but it would be very helpful for me to understand my role. i can claim/explain everything or at least something based on what people say.

Are you still interested in explaining this? Or have you changed your mind?

im concerned because i picked up on the crumb and made an assumption about your role and then hard defended you and walter (especially walter). following that, the pressure on walter disappeared. if theres a possibility that walter could be scum (if most/all of you are in neighborhoods it becomes increasingly likely that at least some of you are in neighborhoods with scum). if the pressure on walter disappeared for bad reasons, then we should look back at day 1 and reconsider whether walter is a good push today.

(Or is this the explanation, i.e. you think that Walter is town if Italiano/Walter is the only neighbourhood, but may well be scum otherwise?)

[Looker]

Is Frogsterking your scum PR or something? Am I hot or am I cold? There's reasons to push me for both.

[Looker]

Interesting. Begs for attention, then does nothing with it. Got it.

[callforjudgement]

I'm pushing you mostly because a) my vote on Gamma isn't doing much any more, with the game stalling (the Gamma wagon produced some good content but is unlikely to generate more), and b) you seem really disconnected with what's going on in the game more generally. In particular, I'd expect the self-vote in #994 to be more likely to come from scum than town; it doesn't make any sense to do intentionally as either alignment, but it seems more likely that scum would do it by mistake (as they aren't normally as invested in any particular read as a typical townie is; scum are more likely to forget who they're suspicious of than townies are).

On a more general note, do you normally consider defending players to be scummy behaviour in general? (I'm trying to understand your read on Raya.)


PEDIT: It takes me a while to write posts. (And I've been receiving quite enough / too much attention recently, which is why I was surprised that you apparently hadn't noticed at all.)

[Tayl0r Swift]

so gamma raya and frog are all shading/trying to get a wagon on cfj. it could be that the remaining scumteam is in that set. raya also has some positive associatives with enigma. frogster and gamma have the weakest associatives, but that could be scum trying to not be obvious potentially. individually, i still think enigma has the most scum equity. that said, there are a few subtle things that make me question whether enigma is scum. the fact that the enigma wagon was derailed with pressure on cfj makes me think raya and enigma could be the pair. or maybe frogster and enigma. raya has associatives with all three other people. so that kinda makes me want to hit raya because raya is the likeliest to be scum. after reading a couple raya towngames this also feels a bit different.

[geraintm]

Quick check in before bed. Off to see SIL tomorrow so not sure how much I can post.

But Taylor, why are you complaining about the enigma wagoj stalling when you jumped off it?? I don't understand

[Tayl0r Swift]

Quick check in before bed. Off to see SIL tomorrow so not sure how much I can post.

But Taylor, why are you complaining about the enigma wagoj stalling when you jumped off it?? I don't understand

it isnt so much the votes as what people were talking about in-thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

Looking and him and frog seems to be a tvt maybe. Not convinced though. But Gamma seems slightly townier to me. still null.
don't like the fake claim. It baited out that there is one neighborhood and gave scum info.
However, looker self-vote is just weird as fuck.

It’s not just weird
It looks like a slip.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait yeah I misread
It’s still wack that Looker self-voted but it’s not as much of skip as I though it seemed
Still think my SJR reread combined with how Looker has acted makes him probably scum, I’m just not dead set on it

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't get this vig theory at all. I agree that it is weird. Maybe CFJ thinks that people think that he killed NM? That still does not explain this theory though

I didnt think it...until he went to great lengths to say he had no idea why it happened

And yet I also kinda made a scene about the kill?

[ItalianoVD]

Let’s get some more pressure on here, see what movements happen

VOTE: Raya

That’s E-2

[RCEnigma]

so gamma raya and frog are all shading/trying to get a wagon on cfj. it could be that the remaining scumteam is in that set. raya also has some positive associatives with enigma. frogster and gamma have the weakest associatives, but that could be scum trying to not be obvious potentially. individually, i still think enigma has the most scum equity. that said, there are a few subtle things that make me question whether enigma is scum. the fact that the enigma wagon was derailed with pressure on cfj makes me think raya and enigma could be the pair. or maybe frogster and enigma. raya has associatives with all three other people. so that kinda makes me want to hit raya because raya is the likeliest to be scum. after reading a couple raya towngames this also feels a bit different.

Those are some mental gymnastics I'm not understanding. In the world that the team is me + Raya town would have had to redirect the wagon from me to cfj not scum as I didn't commit to hanging on the cfj wagon and it didn't build with me on it. Raya remained on me.

Then the next step to derailing my wagon would have been to wagon my partner in Raya instead? The only case that can be made there is Raya intentionally making her vote on me skeevy to scare off potential voters.

All that said my scum play is definitely not to pull attention on me after what would have been a buss on Shelly and then turning around and bussing Raya for no towncred. I might as well cede the game if that's the case. My scum game is bad, it's not THAT bad.

[RCEnigma]

The frogster association I get and if frog flips scum you can flip me for free.

[RCEnigma]

I don't get this vig theory at all. I agree that it is weird. Maybe CFJ thinks that people think that he killed NM? That still does not explain this theory though

I didnt think it...until he went to great lengths to say he had no idea why it happened

And yet I also kinda made a scene about the kill?

Cfj bringing up vig so often is interesting, I'm not sure what to make of it but I don't think vig fits the setup. For that town would have FNN + Taylor as a presumed pr + protective/rb + town kp in a vig which is insanely townsided for at best 2 scum prs.

NM was a scum kill.

[Raya36]

Not really sure how to defend myself when I'm not really seeing a case

[Raya36]

I'm starting to see cfj as more town though