Why are you voting Caster instead of one of your other four scumreads? I'm inferring from your post that you're sheeping Berserker, but why are you sheeping them onto someone you've stated you think is town?In post 1599, Servant Beast wrote:Invested? Not really. Just riding that post scum elim high, so I'm willing to sell my vote to beserker especially since the alt wagon is shielder and I don't feel comfortable eliminating them today.
Does Archer's flip change your thoughts about how the master vote played out?In post 1324, Servant Ruler wrote:This might get kind of Wall-y.In post 1307, Servant Alter Ego wrote:There was one vote that went from Caster to Avenger without progression in the thread prior to the vote. That was Saber's vote in 1031. They gave a partial explanation a few posts after the vote, and then more in their first post after the flip. I really need more from them about how they're processing the game.In post 1263, Servant Ruler wrote:Before I get into reading the 5-6 pages since day start. AE can I get your thoughts on the eod movement onto Assassin (haven't read how that developed yet either).
I'm specifically interested in what you think it means for the three slots vying for master and the slots that moved votes. I want to pick someone else's brain on the macro.
The first vote that occurred in the midst of Berserker's posts about Assassin self voting making them likely scum and should set off alarms of every townie in earshot was Archer. The Assassin wagon revival would have happened anyway IMO, but Archer's vote started breathing life back into it. They'd been voting Assassin since 189. Tonewise, Archer was as insistent that Assassin was town as Berserker was insistent Assassin was scum.
Is there a problem with that? For me there is, but I'm not as jumpy as I was while Archer's posts were hitting the thread yesterday. Up to that point, Archer hadn't really struck me as someone who'd go toe-to-toe with the loudest and most polarized player in the game over one of their reads. Keep the read, yeah. Vote the player, yeah. Argue against the loud voice? Not so sure. It seems at least a little more likely that Archer would be arguing (my impression: without much depth) for town Assassin, knowing the read was correct than risk getting into a match with Berserker over a read that could be wrong.
Lancer also vocally wanted votes to swing back to Assassin, and was vocal about it before Assassin self-voted in 1034. Of all the stances during those votes Archer and Lancer felt the most like they could be coordinated. But, I have a weak townread on Lancer and the correlations between their posts during the timeframe totally could be coincidental.
The other large-ish set of correlations in that period were me/rider/Foreigner. And these really stand out to me because at the time I felt like I was potentially wielding 2 to 3 votes not just my own. I didn't expect or try to talk Rider into considering Avenger. Foreigner wanted to move to Avenger if I did (it's a little more complicated than that). I felt a lot of pressure to be right if I moved my vote to Avenger. I'd just gotten to the point of steeling my nerves to change my vote when Assassin showed up again.
What have you gleaned from your reread?
So I'll preface all of this by saying I wasn't really town leaning Assassin until his reaction gambit on Archer. But enough people were townreading that slot that I figured he must have done some really townie shit before my rep in. But he brought up something I thought was interesting in 709-711.
Specifically his theory on scum participation in the master process. So I want to say part of what I was doing was to sort assassin but he never called me out on it which was kind of disappointing.
I figured if his assertion was accurate then scum wouldn't really shuffle the board themselves but Assassin being on the money would likely force them to master someone less able to connect the dots. So I picked Caster to offer as a viable alternate option.
I was mostly interested in your thoughts on rider / foreigner since that's who bit on Caster being viable. I'm not sure if foreigner followed up on their analysis of anti-assassin wagon slots that they used to explain their vote but I'll read through day start in a bit.
I'm thinking the pivot to assassin might just be a play to avoid making an enemy of assassin who would be easier to appease for two days and then get rid of than have him as a likely non lynchable variable.
With that said id agree there is a degree of coordination involved in Assassin being mastered and I would have given Archer a ton of points if they stuck to Avenger. Avenger comes out looking really townie by virtue of his static wagon I believe.
I'm hesitant to group Rider with foreigner with this in mind. But I also don't get Riders movement if he felt Caster was town enough to vote over assassin but assassin was also town. Barring any eod shenanigans with Avenger (opposed to mastering Avenger) then it's a 50/50 between his two townreads OR more likely Berserker converts to Caster to avoid Assassin getting the upgrade.In post 990, Servant Rider wrote:I voted Caster because I thought I could talk Berserker, Alter Ego, and Foreigner into swapping over and ending this interminable phase, not because my townread on Assassin dipped. Sadly, this did not work out. However, I have no reason to go back to Assassin because that wagon now looks dead.In post 977, Servant Avenger wrote:That's a good question. Foreigner said it was because Assassin didn't want it.
Part of it might be that Rider and Caster merely got the cold shoulder from assassin.
this post makes me feel good about lancer, because i feel the same way, and also because i was thinking the same thing about casterIn post 1644, Servant Lancer wrote:Archer was the only one I had good reasons for but everybody caught him already so f
Caster is part gut and me thinking I TRed him for the wrong reasons at first. It also relies on Shielder being town. I need to catch up but it's like I have a mental block towards doing so. And I have read all of the pages, they're just not coming into anything for me.
And now that I look at this page, he argues for Shielder scum again and then joins him on Ruler, because dueling wagons, when Shielder has barely any votes. I don't know if that means anything but it's not what I'd expect with a Shielder SR.
I don't really have any more developed reads which sucks, I know. I'll see what I can do about getting more invested.
i feel like rider is coming in on the wrong side of things and not stating a reason makes me feel like theres a reason for that.
What do you mean by the bolded? And a quick ISO of me tells you my thoughts on Lancer. I haven't exactly been quiet about it.In post 1655, Servant Shielder wrote:i feel like rider is coming in on the wrong side of thingsand not stating a reason makes me feel like theres a reason for that.
In post 1655, Servant Shielder wrote:i feel like rider is coming in on the wrong side of things and not stating a reason makes me feel like theres a reason for that.
This is pure grade scum.
Willing to bet your life on it?In post 1661, Servant Avenger wrote:Like, I don't need to explain this do I?
Berserker is wrong. If I'm wrong, then you can laugh at me for being ignorant but that FOS into side vote is classic scum. It's so scummy it hurts. It goes beyond "seeming like scum" and into the realm of "virtually indistinguishable from scum"
I'm telling you that if we do shielder and shielder flips town, I'm holding you personally responsible and you will die.In post 1663, Servant Avenger wrote:Due to rules I can't accept the bet and I can be wrong.
But 1 scum for 1 town isn't bad.
You ARE wrong here, and I'm not backing down from murdering you even though I'm certain you're town after.In post 1667, Servant Avenger wrote:Yeah, that's gunna be a tragedy if I'm wrong here.
In post 1668, Servant Berserker wrote:You ARE wrong here, and I'm not backing down from murdering you even though I'm certain you're town after.In post 1667, Servant Avenger wrote:Yeah, that's gunna be a tragedy if I'm wrong here.
Princple of the matter.
