Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 1.13

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager

Tayl0r Swift [4]:

shellyc, NDMath, teacher, PlusJOYED

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, Tayl0r Swift

NDMath [1]:

bob3141

plusJOYED [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ Menalque is V/LA until Monday.
~ PlusJOYED is V/LA until Sunday.
~ shellyc is V/LA until Wednesday.

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[innocentvillager]

kerset can you like provide some content though

i don’t know if I TR saudade but he has a point about your slot

[teacher]

also if I have a town pool and a bunch of nais their scum equity is higher than 25% even if they have done nothing AI

Remind me of your town pool then?

[Kerset]

kerset can you like provide some content though

If you want to talk about something then ask me about it directly.

[teacher]

kerset can you like provide some content though

If you want to talk about something then ask me about it directly.

kk -- why are you still on what reads as a lol-vote? What are your 4 best reads, either way, out of rand?

[Kerset]

kerset can you like provide some content though

If you want to talk about something then ask me about it directly.

kk -- why are you still on what reads as a lol-vote? What are your 4 best reads, either way, out of rand?

I prefer to use a vote as either follow up to the line of though of pressure or actually executing someone and neither of this condition was triggered recently. I don't think i could confidently pull 4 names, which i won't change mind about over 2 days. By definition of day 1 people, when people make calls, which are random and utilized to determine associations. Two green ones would be mena and osuka, two red would be andre and iv,

[teacher]

Talk to me about Andre, because I found that to be pretty towny.

[Andresvmb]

Also, @Bob I’m still waiting on your take on plusJOYED.

Well at the moment I simply don't trust his town read on me. Partly because his town read on me is based on my opener. For that i can't tell if he is town over reading what should really at most be slightly town slot (just above null). But instead its top town read.

Teacher appears to have reacted the same to your slot in 776. He didn’t verbalize it the same way, but he did have you up there.

[Kerset]

Andre as scum is more aggressive and reactive then as town and here he lost temper after i gave shade on him.

[teacher]

Andre as scum is more aggressive and reactive then as town and here he lost temper after i gave shade on him.

Quote please.

Why claim Miller as scum, when theory says that has to be eliminated before lylo, and when there has already been a hard asthetic claim, which would prompt the exact setup spec it did. Generally speaking, I liked their slew of posts in the 600s.

[Andresvmb]

Andre as scum is more aggressive and reactive then as town and here he lost temper after i gave shade on him.

I didn’t lose my temper. Your point was silly, and you offered no defense for it.

[Andresvmb]

Kerset has not played with me as far as I remember outside of this game - meta from them about me is truly irrelevant. The idea that I am not reactive as Town is immediately made ridiculous if you read my interactions in Mini Normal 2157 towards VP Baltar for example, particularly towards Endgame.

[Kerset]

Andre as scum is more aggressive and reactive then as town and here he lost temper after i gave shade on him.

Quote please.

Why claim Miller as scum, when theory says that has to be eliminated before lylo, and when there has already been a hard asthetic claim, which would prompt the exact setup spec it did. Generally speaking, I liked their slew of posts in the 600s.

Page 31.
I should rather ask, why claim it so late. Still role speculation is ineffective without revealed roles, so there is not much point in doing it.

[Kerset]

Kerset has not played with me as far as I remember outside of this game - meta from them about me is truly irrelevant. The idea that I am not reactive as Town is immediately made ridiculous if you read my interactions in Mini Normal 2157 towards VP Baltar for example, particularly towards Endgame.

The irrelevant one is always sef-meta.

[teacher]

Andre as scum is more aggressive and reactive then as town and here he lost temper after i gave shade on him.

Quote please.

Why claim Miller as scum, when theory says that has to be eliminated before lylo, and when there has already been a hard asthetic claim, which would prompt the exact setup spec it did. Generally speaking, I liked their slew of posts in the 600s.

Page 31.
I should rather ask, why claim it so late. Still role speculation is ineffective without revealed roles, so there is not much point in doing it.

On page 31, I found the annoyance to be somewhat reasonable. You are right that they werent/havent/dont post much, but you really did not explain where Andres did not execute on his policy of looking for obvious scumtells. You just pointed wholesale to another game -- which is a great way to pretend to have justification without specifying it. Where specifically in 2023 did Andres not follow through on his stated methodology of thinking scum would be more reserved/anxious/mistake-avoidant.

[Andresvmb]

I’m not giving away self meta without referring to a game. Everybody can make their own assessments about how I play Town or Scum. I’ve quoted multiple games I have played in my home forum in the other games I have played here, and you can see how I approach Town because that’s what I was in the two games I’ve played here that are complete. It is obvious to me that you don’t care to justify your meta argument because you can’t. That’s the point. It’s not a point about self meta. It’s a point about you having an agenda and no way to back up what you’re saying.

A reasonable approach would have been to tell me look you have this theory argument. Either you could say that you disagree and state why, and either move on (nobody really cares about theory arguments), or you could state look at your read on whoever. How does that square with what you’re saying here? And see how I move through that process. A bit how Menalque for example challenged my view of Osuka. Instead, you make your point, offer no defense for it, and think people should just go by that.

[Kerset]

You didn't explain how exactly did you like slew of posts in the 600s. You just liked it. Any argument in this game, which is based on impression can be doubted like that and there is no way for me to prove that my insight is correct.

[teacher]

Where specifically in 2023 did Andres not follow through on his stated methodology of thinking scum would be more reserved/anxious/mistake-avoidant.

[shellyc]

quick check-in here

I've speedread things
teacher looks quite town
kerset's recent responses are a plus in terms of town points but im still leaning scum there

[teacher]

You didn't explain how exactly did you like slew of posts in the 600s. You just liked it. Any argument in this game, which is based on impression can be doubted like that and there is no way for me to prove that my insight is correct.

You didnt ask. Is this you asking? I can try to walk through it if you want, but you have to actually ask -- it seems kind of like a waste of time if you arent interested in hearing it.

Im not asking you to prove that your insight is correct. Im asking you to show me where it came from. You said he didnt follow through on his mindset in other games. I am asking where.

[innocentvillager]

also if I have a town pool and a bunch of nais their scum equity is higher than 25% even if they have done nothing AI

Remind me of your town pool then?

Ydrasse plus

Lesser extent mena Shelly andres

[Andresvmb]

quick check-in here

I've speedread things
teacher looks quite town
kerset's recent responses are a plus in terms of town points but im still leaning scum there

Shelly walk me through why you are assigning Town points to Kerset for recent responses.

[Kerset]

Where specifically in 2023 did Andres not follow through on his stated methodology of thinking scum would be more reserved/anxious/mistake-avoidant.

Show me a place where god appeared as non existent? I just said that such things DIDN'T APPEAR, so an answer would be everywhere. I start to see bad faith in you.

[innocentvillager]

[redacted due to rule break]

might still post too much anyway though because I can’t help myself might not

[teacher]

Where specifically in 2023 did Andres not follow through on his stated methodology of thinking scum would be more reserved/anxious/mistake-avoidant.

Show me a place where god appeared as non existent? I just said that such things DIDN'T APPEAR, so an answer would be everywhere. I start to see bad faith in you.

Ugh. You do realize in this post you both give me something specific to look at (check out god and Andres’s trajectory there) and then say I’m acting in bad faith for asking for something specific to look at, right?