Sorry for the incoming quote-wall. If you don't like them, concerned parties therein are Ruler, Avenger, Beast, Lancer.
In post 1700, Servant Ruler wrote:But let me put it like this. If scum were going to cede the master to town where is the most likely place they would have ended up?
I doubt stagnating on Avenger is the play. Caster/shielder as a duo still doesn't make multiple scum on assassin any less likely.
I looked back at archer moving from Assassin to avenger and back and it reads to me like Archer trying to generate favor for himself and being coached back onto Assassin. Alternate theory is Archer trying to reverse trajectory in the hopes that caster goes through but Lancer flipped from Caster to assassin and that may have made Caster unmasterable. The dominos fell after that.
If scum decided to cede the master to town, which they evidently did, their votes end up literally anywhere. They are, in that situation, encouraged not to coach each other into doing anything because that leads to the very associatives they're trying to avoid by ceding master to town anyways. If scum did indeed coach Archer back onto Assassin (which I believe they did), we'd have to ask why. I have my own opinions on this, and I think everyone should, but I don't think now is the time to discuss the reasons. I don't really buy into the second theory because given Archer's play I don't think he was really in a position (nor, and I mean no offense, did he have the level of skill) to swap a vote with the intent of reversing trajectory for town points.
Further, if he'd swapped to Caster instead, Caster would've been at E-2. That's a whole lot more likely to push through instead of ??? Avenger swap.
In post 1702, Servant Avenger wrote:@Rider: Right after our little tiff. I'd be happier with full reads lists with reasons still. As it gives me something more solid to work with. But you're doing better this day phase in general imo.
Aww, you're a sweetie too. Since I'm not pissy at you anymore, I'll actually do this for you. Not here though; don't want it to get lost.
In post 1718, Servant Beast wrote: In post 1652, Servant Rider wrote: In post 1599, Servant Beast wrote:Invested? Not really. Just riding that post scum elim high, so I'm willing to sell my vote to beserker especially since the alt wagon is shielder and I don't feel comfortable eliminating them today.
Why are you voting Caster instead of one of your other four scumreads? I'm inferring from your post that you're sheeping Berserker, but why are you sheeping them onto someone you've stated you think is town?
Because when have I ever been right about my scum/town reads day 1? I'm happy with eliminating one in the first half and sheeping a strong town read for the second. Best chance to get lucky, let someone else be lucky.
I have a much harder time responding to this in an anon game, as I don't know who you are. It strikes me as odd though since you were in fact right once already (you voted Archer) and it would instill confidence in you, not cause you to get insecure (or whatever word best describes what you're doing) and sheep Berserker. I think Berserker's town as fuck, but I'm not sheeping her and in fact disagree violently with quite a few things she's said. You'll find out what in the next episode of Rider Reads Z.
In post 1722, Servant Assassin wrote:Archer/Lancer:
There's some things in here I like, but also some I don't like, and I wouldn't say any of it is clearing but the way Lancer pestered Archer and got ignored for some time is slightly town, given how we saw Archer clam up under pressure it is possible to give Lancer towncred here although the end result of his questioning is a bit disappointing.
Where are you on Lancer now? You haven't talked about them in a while (not since d0 iirc) and I'm curious where you're at on them now.
In post 1724, Servant Beast wrote: In post 1719, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:So your reasoning for voting Caster is you may be wrong in thinking Caster is town and
you aren't ever right D1 (if we ignore Archer)
? Am I understanding that correctly?
And if you don't trust your own reads, then why trust Berserker's over, I dunno, literally anyone else's? Is she your strongest town read?
I'm not right %100 of the scum team. If at the end of the game my day 1 scum reads include the entire scum team, I will buy you a beer.
And currently yes. I don't see scum coming off archers elimination with that much passion just to push a miselimination and my avenger town read has waned since we got out of day 0.
Passion doesn't make you right, and if anyone can play scum with Passion (capital intentional), it's Berserker. Not remotely implying Berserker is scum, but this is a terrible reason to sheep her. Further, shouldn't Avenger pushing the Shielder elim strengthen the townread back up? He's set himself up to take the full wrath of Berserker (and has said as much) in order to get Shielder out of the game. Scum doesn't do that, particularly not in the "everyone thinks Avenger is town" position he's in.
In post 1726, Servant Saber wrote:I kinda feel this is townie. I still feel like mostly silence is better though because that's what we did so far and it netted scum. So this post is creating a bit of cognitive dissonance for me.
I'm not sure where the inconsistency is. Lancer's got people gunning for him (hi!) and basically admits he's been inactive and not helped public opinion towards him. Where da cogdis?
In post 1740, Servant Lancer wrote:Why does Shielder have to vote the player he was most recently suspicious of? It's like you're looking at the two posts with zero context from the rest of them. Shielder also said he townread me, so disliking Rider's vote for me automatically just feels like a natural extension of that.
Though I'll mention I get Rider's post about why he SRs me. Like, he's not wrong, that is basically what happened from an outside POV because my activity dropped off hard.
Are you caught up now? If you are, where's your head at?
In post 1764, Servant Avenger wrote:It just pinged me in a very visceral way. Consider it pattern recognition.
If it's not in the form of a question with a question mark it's not really directed at rider in particular from my pov. I know that's not always true though.
Did I miss something from Shielder?
Wrong quote. 