Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Andresvmb]

I can see IV as possibly being with Kerset (there’s nothing like a fake hammer test to possibly spare a partner you were bussing), and I’m willing to go there. I’m pretty strong on that with four claims, we should lynch in the claim pool rather than go outside it. I’m quite positive scum will never shoot Kerset, so would prefer to resolve that given my read of the claim and the wagon (including a gut town on IV that I’m willing to compromise on)

i mean im not willing to lunch the ascetic or miller without *other* reasons why they might be scum. claiming those early on is... fine?

and yeah i could kinda buy saudade orchestrating the fake hammer to deflect pressure and use the claim gambit. dunno if i buy that coming from iv. but it could be all three of them. while i understand your point about a posible interpretation of menal's post being "if iv is scum theres no way im also scum" and that scum rarely actually scumslips. but i already dont like menal and when of my top scumreads scumclaims for himself and one of my other top scumreads, im gonna give in to confbias 9 times out of 10.

Okay I do feel I need to respond to this. Fine if you think the fake hammer test is silly (I thought it was a hammer at first and then quickly realized it wasn’t), but how *likely* do you think it is that 1. The entire Scum Team (and you’re assuming what that there’s 4 Scum this game?) all put forth a fake hammer of their buddy (and for some reason are all voting for their buddy) to elicit a fake claim to clear him? Is that your logic here? Because it seems pretty terrible to me.

[Andresvmb]

And 2. Are you claiming that potentially your Scum Pool is what Saudade, IV, Me, Menalque?

[Kerset]

imagine a game where Kerset would actually actively participate in the ongoing game discussions pursue scumtells and towntells instead of victimizing himself and crying for 70 pages how the authority (me) is out there to get him with watashi no big dick(ego)

imagine saudade actually having arguments and pursing more then one scumtell/ making towntells, instead of: Kerset is bad bc she is bad, omg this person voted ker so they are my townreads! Second person votes with me? Second townread! I think that ker is scum form rvs, so as pro i don't to scumhunt over this entire game.

[Andresvmb]

@Bob can you update your shellyc read for me?

[Andresvmb]

I don’t like that Bob has been voting NDMath for what feels like forever and is doing nothing with his vote. Either make a strong case as to why NDMath is correct today or put your vote to better use.

[PlusJOYED]

I second that

[bob3141]

oh thats just rvs vote. Im prety sure nDMath is town. If he was scum i woudl have expected him to do more

[Andresvmb]

So are you going to move your vote at all?

[PlusJOYED]

oh thats just rvs vote. Im prety sure nDMath is town. If he was scum i woudl have expected him to do more

after all thats happened you've held your rvs vote?

[Andresvmb]

why would I claim VT if I was scum, I’m probably getting eliminated anyway

So you could say that.

And the fact you have said makes it obvous you are very much aware.

Bob, this conflicts directly with what you said in #1296 of Mini Normal 2157, where you bashed me directly for doubting a VT Claim near death D1. Why should I not Scum Read this?

[Andresvmb]

Scum near always claims a pr when run up day one. Scum dont panic as they have 2 players talking to them in the pt.


Show me where before you have seen scum in the game from day one claim vt. And most importantly show me the ratio between scum claiming vt day one and town claiming vt day one.

In fact the way you’re treating IV and Kerset is almost in direct contradiction to what you wrote here.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Bob

[bob3141]

Scum near always claims a pr when run up day one. Scum dont panic as they have 2 players talking to them in the pt.


Show me where before you have seen scum in the game from day one claim vt. And most importantly show me the ratio between scum claiming vt day one and town claiming vt day one.

In fact the way you’re treating IV and Kerset is almost in direct contradiction to what you wrote here.

One he didnt claim at l-1.

Two straight away he tried to play the scum woudl claim vt card.

Third there was no pr claim preceding it.


Odds of running two town pr in row are low. Best odds in that situation is alwasy to claim vt. Hard bit is determining which.

Also look at my last scum game. My partner claimed vt. See how involved i was in saving him

[bob3141]

I want to determine if VI is scum or not as teh game state in teh wagons point to him as scum. And kerset as town

[bob3141]

why would I claim VT if I was scum, I’m probably getting eliminated anyway

So you could say that.

And the fact you have said makes it obvous you are very much aware.

Bob, this conflicts directly with what you said in #1296 of Mini Normal 2157, where you bashed me directly for doubting a VT Claim near death D1. Why should I not Scum Read this?

The slot you were pushing was the townies slot in the game. Why i repped into him.

I dont like repping into scum games so i read teh slot before joining

[bob3141]

why would I claim VT if I was scum, I’m probably getting eliminated anyway

So you could say that.

And the fact you have said makes it obvous you are very much aware.

Bob, this conflicts directly with what you said in #1296 of Mini Normal 2157, where you bashed me directly for doubting a VT Claim near death D1. Why should I not Scum Read this?

The slot you were pushing was the townies slot in the game. Why i repped into him.

I dont like repping into scum games so i read teh slot before joining

[bob3141]

And teh big thing andre do you see me voting village. Still nlot sure if kerset was his counter wagon or if he was simply a run off wagon from kerset

[bob3141]

one thing for sure is i doubt village/plus is ever s/s. Either its tvt or s/t

[bob3141]

i am *alright* with a kerset lim but at the same time I'm afraid they are actually doctor

Gated doc in a game that lasts at most 5 nights = pretty weak Pr.

We have two anti-town town roles claimed, implying that town must have some decently strong PRs including some kind of investigative (Miller)

If town has two strong PRa plus gated doc (the kind of power that would justify two antitown roles), then scum likely has at least gated rolestopper.

Given suspicions of Kerset, scum do not shoot but instead block (at least when town reads become sufficiently common that they are worried about overlap).

This is why I think town has to resolve the Kerset slot. I don’t think scum does it for us. And I don’t think waiting for later makes it easier to eliminate a claimed PR.

If ever scum roleblocker type role flips. Teachs scum equity goes up.

Why go straight to roleblocker. Why discount scum hvaing tracker/ rolecop type roles

[bob3141]

Question im pondering over. Is that there was 2 other wagons tied with kerset before it got a head. Why did all of it go to IV. Where is swifts wagon.

[bob3141]

I feel like a teacher vote

VOTE: teacher

Lets see if teh wagons stay stale

[osuka]

shelly is still town tho even if shellys posts atm are pretty weird.

why are you so adamant of town shelly

[osuka]

I feel like a teacher vote

VOTE: teacher

Lets see if teh wagons stay stale

you're gonna have to do a lot of convincing to move me from iv

[PlusJOYED]

a teacher wagon would be nice... day 2
lets get the scum right in front of us

[Andresvmb]

Scum near always claims a pr when run up day one. Scum dont panic as they have 2 players talking to them in the pt.


Show me where before you have seen scum in the game from day one claim vt. And most importantly show me the ratio between scum claiming vt day one and town claiming vt day one.

In fact the way you’re treating IV and Kerset is almost in direct contradiction to what you wrote here.

One he didnt claim at l-1.

Two straight away he tried to play the scum woudl claim vt card.

Third there was no pr claim preceding it.


Odds of running two town pr in row are low. Best odds in that situation is alwasy to claim vt. Hard bit is determining which.

Also look at my last scum game. My partner claimed vt. See how involved i was in saving him

Why is it at all important that IV did not claim at L-1? In the context of you saying that Scum almost never claim VT D1? And you literally made fun of me for saying that claiming Doctor could present complications later in the game. And there weren’t any PR Claims preceding your argument about Snowblaze in that game, since the PR’s that game were Tracker and Mason, and no Mason was run up early. Your 1 and 3 are like obvious nonsense. I can maybe see 2, but I’m still feeling like you’re very much stretching to defend your stances.