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[teacher]

Daddy.

[bob3141]

Hey i should actually be like teacher. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT MY ISO HAS NO CONTENT UNTIL YOU GIVE ME QUOTES.

Misrep. I said tell me what a lot I haven’t taken a stance on. You still haven’t. It’s not quote me, it’s say it. And then I would find the quote to prove you wrong. I’d gladly stack your iso next to mine any day to weigh content.

Thats gaslighting. If im using the term right


Teacher show us all of kersets content? What are his stances and where were his pushes?

[bob3141]

Your sayign he hasnt got much so show us what he has done and anyone can search his iso to see if your leavign stuff out

[bob3141]

i am *alright* with a kerset lim but at the same time I'm afraid they are actually doctor

Gated doc in a game that lasts at most 5 nights = pretty weak Pr.

We have two anti-town town roles claimed, implying that town must have some decently strong PRs including some kind of investigative (Miller)

If town has two strong PRa plus gated doc (the kind of power that would justify two antitown roles), then scum likely has at least gated rolestopper.

Given suspicions of Kerset, scum do not shoot but instead block (at least when town reads become sufficiently common that they are worried about overlap).

This is why I think town has to resolve the Kerset slot. I don’t think scum does it for us. And I don’t think waiting for later makes it easier to eliminate a claimed PR.

If ever scum roleblocker type role flips. Teachs scum equity goes up.

Why go straight to roleblocker. Why discount scum hvaing tracker/ rolecop type roles

Here — bob catches my info crumb on rolestopper, prospectively shades me if one flips (and I know one exists), and still doesn’t correct the role stop/roleblock error. This troubled me a bit at the time and now that I outted my info I can say why.

I highly doubt your role is legit.

Your claiming a role that would never get night killed. A weak role at that, even weaker than VC.

See menals hosted game i think were PP claimed informed bg. Scum claimed to be bg and that they were informed of a strongman role. He was just a strongman.

If you were however unlikely a informed townie. You wouldnt of outed yourself as you would want to eat a night kill.

[bob3141]

life will be so much easier with kerset gone

Force scum to kill him by not lynchign him.


Even if you think kerset is scum then there is still 2 other players that could be scum. As we are not lynching a claimed strong pr day one. When we can better resolve his slot after more players have flipped. When we can better guage town power.

[Saudade]

what makes you think someone would ever kill that slot as scum
are we playing the same game??

[Saudade]

It's just some stupid doc its not an investigative role that gives us infromation or anything

[bob3141]

The idea is to try and get them too. every day they risk him blocking a kill. And any action used on him is an action not used on another town pr that could get results.

Come l-1 it will be clear if a scum kerset leaves a hole in town power or that there is to much claimed town pr

[bob3141]

in prior game that town lost. It happened when the town watcher tunnel on the town babysitter. When either role would have left a big hole in town power. And scum had been after that slot all game.

So kerset simply isnt a day one lynch. There are 3 scum alive so even if im wrong on kerset. That still means tehre is two scum to send to chopping block

[NDMath]

ndamath do you townread osuka

Yes. He's been pushed for townreading kerset and whatever Mena voted him for earlier.
I don't think either shows him having an increased scum equity.
Him scumreading iv who then announces he's pr hunting doesn't hurt either.

also does rolestopper existing have any impact on the earlier ascetic claim alignment wise?

It means that if I'm scum I'm not the rolestopper. (Unless you argue that it's an ascetic rolestopper.)
If the rolestopper is hung I'll still be ascetic so if proven at that point it's probably +town points for me.

[shellyc]

Why does rolestopper flip prove you as town? rolestopper doesn't mean assured ascetic claim

osuka I've been indecisive, I am fine with their wagon but I buy some of their logic tbh

[shellyc]

So kerset simply isnt a day one lynch. There are 3 scum alive so even if im wrong on kerset. That still means tehre is two scum to send to chopping block

this is weird

don't you want to get scum? "oh limming one scum means we have two more to go"

[Andresvmb]

I’ll catch up later this game is getting out of hand haha

@Bob, understood that you repped into a slot that I was attacking and had claimed VT, and you had the inside knowledge that the claim was legitimate. I get that. All I’m saying is that you are clearly not applying the identical logic to IV’s claim. Now, I do agree that if the person is aware that such a claim might be a silly one to make as Scum on D1 because it doesn’t advance the Team, and makes that statement out loud, it blunts the impact of the claim. That’s fair. However, it’s not just that. You are also defending the only PR claim under pressure in the game (from Kerset). Again, I am ALSO inclined not to want to execute a claimed un-CC’ed Doctor. So it’s not like I think you aren’t making any sense. But you are going against your previously stated logic (when I know you were Town), and so I would have hoped for some sort of more convincing explanation.

I also have very much been feeling that until you’ve been put under pressure, you have been sitting on the sidelines and avoiding putting your foot down. So I definitely wanted to see more. I will have to re-read and make up my mind, but it did raise a red flag for example that you were still carrying your RVS vote.

[Andresvmb]

And yeah, I haven’t criticized your wagon and game state analysis because if you do flip this game, I will revert back to it for additional color for sure (and I do think it’s helpful, even in a chaotic game like this one). But I also need to have more confidence that you’re Town. I don’t think our reads diverge all that much here - I just think there’s a lot of confusion, and I can’t really figure out who is the best execution here.

[PlusJOYED]

So kerset simply isnt a day one lynch. There are 3 scum alive so even if im wrong on kerset. That still means tehre is two scum to send to chopping block

this is weird

don't you want to get scum? "oh limming one scum means we have two more to go"

yeah wtf?
I think bob is so weird and almost a VI that he has to be town. I just cannot fathom scum!bob playing like he is.

[shellyc]

i shallow meta dived bob they are a decent town player

I'm confused with their play here

[shellyc]

plus talk to me I think you're town but my gut has doubts

[Menalque]

Can someone catch me up

Teacher is claiming informed or backup?

[Menalque]

Vote count 1.27

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

innocentvillager [3]:

osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED

bob3141 [3]:

Andresvmb, NDMath, Ydrasse

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

Kerset [1]:

shellyc

osuka [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [3]:

innocentvillager, teacher, Saudade

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flavour

These wagons are gross

@teacher @andres @ydrasse why are you not voting with me on osuka?

[Menalque]

&saudade why aren’t you voting

[Menalque]

IV same thing and also why aren’t you voting osuka with me anymore

And Shelly kerset doesn’t look like he’s happening so you should move your vote, and the best place for that is osuka

[PlusJOYED]

iv said he was on break I think

[PlusJOYED]

plus talk to me I think you're town but my gut has doubts

about what?

[Andresvmb]

@Menalque, @Ydrasse I want us to agree on a course of action. Menalque is obviously on Osuka, but I don’t know that this one gets through, and I do have a Negative Lena there, but I also want to re-read.
@IV I want some thoughts on what you would be willing to vote here. I see you very scattered and defensive (particularly after your “slip”, but I have been liking your takes so I want to see more of them). I know you said you wouldn’t post much until Wednesday, and you needed a break - all I want is a small list of players you would vote. That’s all.

I have a good sense of what some other players want to do. Saudade is almost death tunneling Kerset (but would also clearly vote for Osuka), and Bob is on Teacher (and defending Kerset given their Claim). Kerset is tunneling Teacher almost, after somewhat tunneling me. plusJOYED’s 2325 makes it pretty clear where they would vote, which also includes Teacher.

@Kerset, how do you feel about my slot now?
@Tayl0r where are you? You seem to be vibing with plus after SR’ing there, which I don’t have any major objections to actually I’m still trying to figure out what to make of plus. Your vote is still on IV, and you appear to also be willing to vote Osuka. How do you feel about Teacher/Bob?

Nobody has taken me up on answering whether crumbing Doctor makes sense. Can somebody seriously comment on that?

[Andresvmb]

^Negative Lean*