FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Foreigner]

Oh, and Foreigner, just so you know, I'm confirmed town. Don't know if you've picked up on that or not.

Yeah I saw, I read through what you linked to me.

[Servant Assassin]

Foreigner 1, Hope things go well.

Foreigner 2, Welcome.

What's the VC at? I think I am going to have to decide this without hearing from the two Rs. I'll be back later today probably.

VC is at the top of the page, only difference is Foreigner has voted Caster.

[Servant Assassin]

Oh, and Foreigner, just so you know, I'm confirmed town. Don't know if you've picked up on that or not.

Yeah I saw, I read through what you linked to me.

K. Any questions? I know I'll be around tomorrow so I've refrained from doing any full reads lists or anything of the like.

[Servant Foreigner]

No, I've got a good grasp on the game mechanics now.

[Servant Caster]

So, I did some digging around into Shielder's claim. I'd like to do a nice side by side comparison, but I lack the desire to make infographics so text will have to do. This is the first of several posts about the topics at hand and has been broken up so as not to wall anyone to death.

Exalted Impervious Wall of Snowflakes: commute 1 other player together that night, me and them are immune to all but what they target me with can still go through (Shielder claim)
Exalted Impervious Wall of Snowflakes: Increases party's defense for 3 turns. Reduces party's damage taken by 2000 for 1 attack. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

Obscurant Wall of Chalk One-shot: target 1 player they get a noble phantasm charge and are jailkept for 1 night (Shielder claim)
Obscurant Wall of Chalk: Grants one ally's Invincibility for 1 turn. Charges their NP gauge. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

Shield of Rousing Resolution: if 7 or more townies are alive, I gain 2 noble phantasm charges instead of 1 at start of day phase. I think this is a passive ability (Shielder claim)
Shield of Rousing Resolution: 500% Chance to draw attention of all enemies to self for 1 turn. Increases own NP generation rate for 1 turn. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

Lord Camelot - Fortress of the Distant Utopia (****) when using this I dont lose charges. can talk during the night phase when used (Shielder claim)
Lord Camelot - Fortress of the Distant Utopia: Reduces party's damage taken for 3 turns. Increases party's attack by 30% except herself for 3 turns. Increases party's defense for 3 turns. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

The problems I have:

1. The flavor/game text does not line up well with the claimed abilities. Obscurant wall of chalk is fine, but the first ability, third ability, and noble phantasm do not. My roles and abilities match either the in game text or the name of the ability, and in my opinion the abilities claimed above do not. Shield of Rousing Resolution and Lord Camelot in particular strike me as odd. While SoRR has an NP gain component in it, its primary task is to redirect actions to the shielder (i.e. a taunt mechanic). It's also not a passive ability. Lord Camelot also is a very strange mechanic and has little to do with either the name or the in-game effect.

Shielder's claim seems to hold up to my scrutiny. I think all of the claimed abilities plausible to likely, with the exception of Lord Camelot - Fortress of the Distant Utopia, which I see as unlikely... but confirmable

VOTE: Servant Caster

Newsflash: I have a role to claim too, and at least one confirmable ability. Shall we run everyone up to see if they ha e at least a plausible fakeclaim? If you think an ability is unlikely you should be voting for this person.

[Servant Caster]

I don't even understand what the issue is here so I cant really respond to it. All assassin really did was post my iso and say "bad."

[Servant Assassin]

Who is mafia and why, Caster?

[Servant Caster]

since this has historically worked well in this game, it's time for everyone's favorite game
QUOTE STRIPES

look i'll be honest i'm half putting this together from whole cloth because i just know who has pinged me or has failed to generate town pings. but it seems like it's what you all want from me, so i'll try to compose thoughts that are understandable to someone other than myself. i dearly wish i could compel everyone else to play this way so i could read them too. and yknow, win the game. this is shade at moon cancer, who should probably have just spectated if all he cares about is being right.

Your Ruler has finally arrived, if only in time to pass the throne.

VOTE: Berserker

This should not even be in question imo. #77 is wrong about Cabd and the loophole. Cabd

has already

left a loophole. None of us were given any reason to think the master-making ability was shared. I didn't assume I was the most powerful role in the game, but I absolutely did not expect it to be shared.

It is also not in the sample role PM in the OP.

The only way for scum to get the information is for Cabd to go out of their way to give it to them while letting town figure it out for themselves. This is a much more obvious scum auto-clear and would be nonsensical.

tl;dr: Cabd already made a mistake. This game was a race to reveal who knew it first. Scum knowing it before town would be ??? puzzling given that it's not in the town sample PM. Berserker should be the vote for the day.

I'll confess there is some good tone in this post; it's the only good tone the slot will ever produce. that said, i don't care for the tldr part - i don't see how one can assert this without having any kind of info about what scum have. who's to say they didn't have the same ability too, at this point? only with archer's flip can we confirm that isn't the case.

I'll read up over the next day or so but don't really expect commentary on much prior to my rep in. This is just an extra phase and things lined up so that the chance of me gaining master is pretty nil by virtue of the replacement.

I already got grumpy about this at the time, but it's a lame excuse to not do anything for a while

VOTE: Caster

Because not attempting to get this one thing that is a benefit to town regardless of what townie has it is the same as not playing at all.

i don't think this was ever a reasonable reaction to my concerns, but also, they didn't have the energy to read the thread but they sure had the energy to get defensive.

So, my Noble Phantasm ability is somewhat negative utility. But I'm guessing there are players with who I have some compatibility. When it's fully charged, I can use it during the day and anyone voting me at that time has one charge taken away. I get a list of their attributes but not who has what (unless I have a master, then I learn what each of them got). Knowing attributes has no relation to the rest of my role though, so as for why that's my Noble Phantasm I really don't know. As a side note,

I was told votes against the town master won't be processed (when I asked Cabd about this, he said it'd count as an unvote at best).

.

@cancer don’t elaborate on that.

Uh, to avoid any sort of future complication I feel I should correct this miscommunication.

I meant no votes from anyone towards an

elected

town master count (and how that interacts with my Noble Phantasm is paramount). As I think I previously noted, my Noble Phantasm requires me being voted

. (

I don't currently plan on actually using it, but the topic came up when I asked Cabd about abusing it.)

pain to do this on tablet.

A. He said he can drain NP gauges using his NP when voted. Plus attributes etc.
B. Asks cabd if he can vote confirmed town with his ability.

1. He’s right there’s synergy here with foreigner obviously. There’s been no outreach from him to foreigner which I think is a bit odd. The question is whether they’re both town or whether cabd made it that it looks that way but they’re both different alignments or scum together. My Intuition says they’re both different alignments. But obviously there could be 2 or 3 other roles depending on similar information in ounno.

He’s been hilariously transparent, but I have no idea what benefit there would be as town to want to vote confirmed town in what sounds like a separate ability unless he asked cabd if he could drain the NP from confirmed town which is scum motivation, right?

Siri. Remind me I'm Fos'ing this post.

this is mentioned again later as "a ping" but never elaborated. with avenger being a serious wagon i feel like they should've discussed whatever this is with the class

@Ruler I don't know how to respond to that. So i'll just ignore it and assume you have no reason to fos that post.

I absolutely do have reason to fos it. It's the only post I've noticed that behavior specifically and it's not even a scumread so.

Avenger - No, I haven't read all of your posts, sorry. Focusing on one interest at a time is working for me when I have the time, so thanks for reminding me to do that.

Ruler - I had this whole thing on how it sounds like youre using real identities way too much in a game where that isn't verifiable, but if you're bringing it up like this at all I'm probably not going to be able to convince you to stop with one post.
But I do think your tinfoil is actually tinfoil, like not the self deprecating "I know this is wild but I do actually put some stock into it" sort of tinfoil but the really out there tinfoil.

Pedit - Hahahaha

So what was the point of bringing it up?

If I suspect Avenger is actually recreating the play of another player I'm going to ask myself why that would be. That's if it turns into a trend instead of one reference point.

seems to be bending over backwards here to avoid discussing this point in any meaningful way
also as an aside, lancer's post here sucks - they accuse ruler of using identities "way too much" when ruler has made like one post on the topic

VOTE: Rider

?????

Ruler has mentioned Rider 0 times prior to this and later goes on to act suspicious towards them (1324) for trying to elect me. Where did this townread come from and where did it go? Sure, they're "hesitant to group rider with foreigner" (1324) but it is baffling to me that they wanted AE's thoughts on rider for "biting on me being viable." AE does not suspect me at that point, so why would he be concerned about it? And Foreigner townreading me was not a shock either, so why would this be some sort of impressive gotcha?

VOTE: Caster

I'm realizing I strongly dislike pre-game phases.

I've been over this but I can't make this post without bringing it up again. So this is obviously a big swerve...

Would not master:
Lancer, Caster, Zerker

VOTE: Caster

I'm realizing I strongly dislike pre-game phases.

What happened here, Ruler?

I feel like I misattributed issues Caster had with stylistic gameplay as linear thinking but I no longer feel that way. It's more like a frustration on the side.

When I made that list it was mostly who I felt had the ability to not burn the town vs who I thought would be potatoes if they became IC.

Now, we know they're later going to claim to have voted me as a reaction test (which I already didn't believe, this is very dumb - I think they wanted to elect a weaker townie in me). But this post, which I didn't remember previously, makes it worse in my book; they're now fully pretending to not have a problem with me anymore, I guess? I have a really hard time believing Ruler voted me as a trap and then made this post.

Also don't think Archer would have been able to swing assassin's upsurge without a partners help and that leaves me with partner ties in st least one of : Rider, Foreigner, Moon, Lancer, AE.

This is just stupid.

this has been an attempt to explain why i think ruler is scum thanks for coming to my bargain brand ted talk

[Servant Caster]

Who is mafia and why, Caster?

i just want u to know i was working on this before you made this post

[Servant Caster]

I haven't noticed much of this game other than berserker/foreigner

Haven't read the beserker/foreigner stuff, and I don't really care for it tbh.

lul

[Servant Caster]

I might actually have to bite the bullet and take notes this game. I underestimated how much I relied on avatars/names/personality quirks in telling players apart and playing intuitively like I like to.

Sorta unnecessary to say out loud ngl. Whatever works for you though.

Unless Alter Ego was getting some sort of pushback for treating Moon Cancer as town, this isn't something I see scum allowing to make it to the thread.

No, I can easily see scum faking a townread on someone for reasons like that and then retracting it. First, it makes them look better. Second, it makes them not obligated to townread someone. Not calling AE scum, but I don't think this is great reason for townread.

That he was sorting at all.

but then what did he say that was notable, what stood out to you exactly, what differentiated him from anyone else with early game reads

Good question by Assassin.
Overall, I like Assassin more than Lancer here, but that doesn't mean Lancer is scum. Hopefully, I'll be able to do more real time stuff soon.

idk these stuck out a little as possible awkward interactions

[Servant Caster]

he stopped commenting on my stuff

scumslip lol

This isn't news, but Moon Cancer is town. Furthermore, Archer's scumread on Moon Cancer evaporates without a trace, which I think reinforces this thought.

is assassin not viable?

well that's stuff that could be helped upon flip?
VOTE: Avenger
let's do this(I hope)

VOTE: Assassin
I low key feel bad for avenger if he’s town, but this is the way to go

Guys assassin is really townie, I think we should give him the master vote.
Pedit: foreigner doesn’t even want it!

Contrary to some thoughts I've seen posted, I don't see anything unnatural happening here at all, I think Archer was just voting with his stated reads and moved as assassin seemed to lose viability
please note that he could pretty easily have not started scumreading me around this time and just voted me

Like, even if you ARE town when you win this vote, I'm not just gonna do what you say.

This seems a bit hypocritical from what you said earlier.

It doesn't matter who you work with, town or scum, if scum want to help you do pro town things more power to them.

And if they don't they can go into the "fuck you die" pile.

It seems like you expect people to work with you, and if they don't, you scumread them.
If Assassin wins the vote and is confirmed to be town, it seems a little hypocritical that you are going to refuse to work with him.
I'm not sure if that's the right word, but still.

@Berserker
Fair enough.

I'll admit I'm lookling for reasons to find this strange. The only one I can come up with is that 1087 doesn't seem necessary.
Also, given berserker's attitude here, interesting that i don't see them fighting with assassin at all now.

yeah let's just yeet this guy out
probably anti-spewing or something
VOTE: Shielder

hmmm. i guess this could go either way. it's one of those things that seems important but you can't tell how until later

Gonna say right now that something unpleasant happens when Shielder gets lynched.

What do you mean by this?
Also, I don't really have a read on ruler, but that means scum.

it's interesting to me that archer felt the need to comment on his ruler GGTH scumread, but not his beast GTH scuimread, when he has mentioned neither of them ever.

god archer's posts are boring.

[Servant Avenger]

I haven't noticed much of this game other than berserker/foreigner

Haven't read the beserker/foreigner stuff, and I don't really care for it tbh.

lul

Nice touch if scum.

[Servant Avenger]

I'm against caster being eliminated based on these recent posts and a re-iso + assassin's case.

[Servant Avenger]

Wait, am I against it?
or do I just agree with him on some of his observations and giving him undue credit for that.

Navel-gazing aside, something feels wrong.

@Foreigner, hi, did you replace into a town slot? Do you need anything?

[Servant Caster]

mostly what i get out of 1273 is difficulty seeing archer-berserker-shielder as all scum even though i would really like to
it's not THAT solid though. i guess berserker could be coaching archer to let her take the heat off shielder. and archer was starting to sink by this point i think, so he could've made this post for this exact reason

[Servant Caster]

Berserker is being given way too much credit for their entrance. A savvy scum player could very easily see from their fake claim PMs that ramming that angle as hard as possible would get them townread.

What do you think about how Berserker was defending Shielder?

this sure is important to archer huh

I just realized I have no read on Lancer.

Beast, at this point I don't see why you don't want to explain your reads now.

Doesn't seem very realistic that you thought she was still going to hold out.

Why do you townread me?
@Archer

I just had you as town in GTH. I don't really townread you atm.

I'd like you to explain later then. About Berserker.

oh maybe this is town.

Lancer - no read tbh
Shielder - what Berserker said made sense, but I don't see who else is scum. Make him do more too

As you can see my explanations for my reads aren't very good. The order is more important though.
VOTE: Archer
GLHF

Trying to see what this weirdness (in a post where archer selfvotes no less) means for lancer hurts my head.
i am kinda leaning towards shielder not being scum with this.

VOTE: Ruler

[Servant Avenger]

the problem I have with berserker being mafia is that berserker probably isn't mafia. I shouldn't get my feet too deep into it because sometimes pet town reads, I can be a bit too stubborn on.
But come on. Berserker is plain inspired if she's scum this game.

[Servant Caster]

this really has everything to do with my id guess and if i'm wrong then i would agree berserker would be strong town

[Servant Assassin]

I am mostly against the notion of "Burden of Proficiency" scumreading players and think Berserker's reasoning feels genuine even if I disagree with a fair number of her reads. Her approach to the master phase (give it to me -> oh I'm not special, I don't want it -> Wait I don't trust anyone else) feels like a townie thinking rather than a play for towncred. Her being paranoid about the votes on me makes sense even if it was wrong, as it was largely consistent with her other reads at the time. Continued attempts to scumhunt today rather than just going with the flow. I would re-consider that if I'm wrong on any of my current reads.

[Servant Caster]

with some players, you have to use BOP if you want to win

[Servant Caster]

i don't like it either, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but i have learned from experience that it works. if they're scum, you can at least force them to bus

[Servant Alter Ego]

Lancer. What to do.

@Caster

Ruler 2.0 has actually mentioned thoughts about my identity a couple times, and I feel like they've dropped comments to or about me quite a bit given the low number of posts. I don't know who they are or if they have accurately identified my main. The amount of posting at me, though, feels like someone who thinks I can be counted on to read them properly, or possibly thinks they can get a town misread from me. But, many of the players who would have either impression of me are higher-frequency posters than Ruler. And, their approach to the master wagons also look a little alien to me. So, I'm left with behaviors.

That's a whole lot of words that come down to "I am baffled by Ruler." I go back and forth about their likelihood of being town.

They haven't posted in 4 days. They're probably up for replacement pretty soon.

[Servant Saber]

with some players, you have to use BOP if you want to win

This is an anonymous game. How can anyone fairly use BoP?

[Servant Saber]

Caster, are you townreading Shielder now?