FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Moon Cancer]

If Rider is scum, I think both of his partners are in his scum reads (with maybe the exception of Saber, not sure). I don't really think Rider has much choice (if he is actually scum).

I mean the town reads consist of pretty much universal town reads plus me (which is odd in itself because apparently it's not based on interactions and Rider had problems with me last I checked but uh... that changed, I guess? Even though I'm not really sure why someone who was previously scum-reading me for playing a certain way would change their mind when I haven't really changed the way I've been playing?)

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Like I said, I have a lot of reading I want to do but haven't done yet. I don't have a hard scum read on Rider (or really anyone at this point, which is disappointing, but meh). I've just seen zero reason to town read Rider based on what I have read.

[Servant Assassin]

Are you asking because you think it's unlikely Rider is scum with, say, some combination of Lancer/Ruler/Saber/etc? Or are you just trying to figure out where my head is at?

The latter. Your thoughts are noted. I will say I agree with you in that I'm not sure where the town reads are coming from.

[Servant Alter Ego]

One is coming from me. This is something I do feel conviction about.

[Servant Foreigner]

...And how much have you read?

Because, I don't mean to sound patronizing, but if you're a recent sub in who's not up to speed, then it's a good idea to let the town who's been here the whole time fucking drive for a minute

Are you really getting upset with me for having a different opinion than yours?

[Servant Assassin]

...And how much have you read?

Because, I don't mean to sound patronizing, but if you're a recent sub in who's not up to speed, then it's a good idea to let the town who's been here the whole time fucking drive for a minute

Are you really getting upset with me for having a different opinion than yours?

No, I'm getting upset at you dragging your heels against a vote for vague reasons when you've seemingly not even bothered reading why Shielder is a suspect. If you have

actual doubts

then by all means voice them but what you're doing now is less than useless.

[Servant Beast]

Anyone can hammer any time now please. Put this day and this scum slot out of its misery.

[Servant Assassin]

Shielder's ISO is

eighty-three posts

. It is not that long. But let me put it in two easy points for you: 1. The second shielder claimed something entirely different, then changed their claim 2. The reads they gave were illogical, ill-founded, and when I questioned them on them they were evasive and kept trying to change their justification. They said things like they didn't trust my reads, and when I asked them what reads they didn't trust, they said they didn't know what my reads were.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Shielder v2's play looks bad for surface-level reasons, yeah.

But I'm struggling to come up with a good reason why she as scum did what she did with her claim unless she thought it would make her seem town for some reason? I don't really know why she felt it necessary as town either, but I can at least theorise it was silly-gambit-to-bait-reactions and see it making some sense. I don't see why scum outright lies about it though. This is why the whole "Shielder lied!!!" angle doesn't convince me in any way. Though someone is free to point out where my thinking is incorrect here if they want.

As far as the rest of Shielder v2's play is concerned, eh. I honestly can't follow a lot of the reads and reasoning but there are still _some_ things I think seemed town about the way Shielder was talking to people. It wouldn't be the first time someone has had completely nonsensical reads for nonsensical reasons and ended up being town so I'm trying to look past that and think about what angle she was trying to push as scum vs what she was trying to do as town, and I see more things that point to the latter.

[Servant Assassin]

The reason she did it as scum is because she is dumb and didn't know what she was doing. The amended claim is a hasty attempt at a correction that would seem slightly more plausible.

I don't really want to vote on just those reasons but thought they would be most persuasive to the kind of inattentive player who decides a slot is town from reading 10% of their posts.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

The amended claim was less plausible though rofl. I guess maybe she (and assuming day talk, the rest of her team) thought differently? But eh, I still don't understand the motivation behind it and "she's dumb" doesn't fully explain it

[Servant Moon Cancer]

When I say I don't understand the motivation behind it, I mean the amendment. As in, why not just claim she had the standard mechanic and was just reaction testing or something? Why 'come clean' with another (less plausible imo) lie?

[Servant Assassin]

I don't really want this to become a focal point of debate (I know, I'm the one who brought this up). But the arguments for them being town aren't remotely convincing. I thought that maybe saying that would convince Foreigner to follow me. (I am desperately holding back my thoughts on the current occupant of that slot for the sake of the game).

Really, I formed my reads about a day into this phase, nothing I've seen since has changed my mind, and in fact it's only reinforced them. In the interim, half the game has turned into potatoes. If that's what going to happen, I'm going to start strong-arming shit until I'm given reason to reconsider.

[Servant Moon Cancer]

What are your reads, currently?

I townread you and assassin. I scumread moon cancer and shielder. I do not have much of an opinion on anyone else.

this is interesting because i scumread archer and assassin and to some extent moon cancer, so one scum in each bucket of a scums reads? hmm

For the sake of it, I'll just link this quote and say I thought this was an example of a town thought process from Shielder.

(I am aware that scum can say things like this, but I think most of the time scum don't think like this D1.)

(I am also aware that you could argue it looks like she had knowledge of Archer's alignment. I could theoretically see that being the case but I also tend to think scum try to be less, like... blatant, I guess is the word? Drawing attention to that when she was one of the people in the scum reads just seems pretty bold.)

[Servant Assassin]

It does look like the latter. Whole process feels TMI-ish. Confidence level of the way she outed reads wasn't backed up by her attempts to justify them.

[Servant Assassin]

Also, the whole phrasing of it is just so incredibly inauthentic sounding. Didn't you ding Archer for the "hmm" at the end of a sentence? Similar pattern here

[Servant Moon Cancer]

Not every use of hmm is equal and it wasn't because it was at the end of the sentence, it was because he wrote it after a question that implied something without coming to any conclusion about said implication in a way that looked like he was trying to gauge public opinion with committing, if that makes sense. Archer's hmm was just awful.

Shielder's use of hmm looks more like she found something interesting in tandem with her reads. Like, I'd probably hmm too if my scum read did something like that with my other two scum reads.

*shrug*

[Servant Foreigner]

I think this defense of Shielder from Moon Cancer looks good for Moon Cancer. Maybe I'm biased, because I kind of agree with what they are saying.

With that being said... I don't see the general consensus on Shielder ever changing short of their flip or role actions, and there doesn't seem to be much else to talk about, so I'm ready to hammer.

Though I want to point out that Shielder

is

our doctor role. They're the guy who would keep Assassin alive on night 3 and beyond

[Servant Assassin]

If people are going to be intimidated by AtE and are going to be intimidated by PR claims we're going to ping pong around until we hit a townie who says "well, I'm not that important, you guys can kill me, good luck" and we're never actually going to kill scum. Think theres a very good chance this flips red although it's not my strongest scum read. I'm willing to take an early exit if I'm wrong but if that scares you, then vote Caster instead.

[Servant Assassin]

I might just swap back myself. But those are the two votes I'm willing to make today. No case presented against anyone else has been remotely compelling.

[Servant Alter Ego]

I'm taking a stand, Gentle Beings. I think Shielder is a better elim.

[Servant Avenger]

K, do we want to wait for ruler V3 to rep in first or after?
I never know what's EV there.

[Servant Assassin]

I don't think Ruler's slot even gets filled until Shielder's does and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Servant Avenger]

Aight.
I'd hammer but I'm already voting him.

[Cabd]

Servant Ruler has failed to pick up their prod. Searching for replacement....