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[SirCakez]

VOTE: alch
Better wagon

[Testarossa]

I think it’s his schtick.

Mh. Not that I disagree, but considering it caught your attention enough to double down on that in 112 it's a little bit anticlimactic. Oh well.

[Testarossa]

Talk to me about tris town

Rather subjective, firstly I don't like half the wagon on her (mainly Una, who is my second scumlean).

Also I don't think her play comes across like coming from a scum agenda. It feels like she genuinely doesn't care how she gets perceived by others and with her recent posts it looks more to me that there is an actual interest in figuring other players' stances out.

While it is to take with a grain of salt I also skimmed a few games after I looked into the game Mizzy linked and I thought it was noticeable that she was as scum more serious out of the gate while she is more loose as town. It's easy to manipulate, but with my overall impression I will just roll with the simple answer here.

[Testarossa]

/shrug, your posts seemed enough effort which reminded me of the other game. though i'm not sure why you're bringing up waffling? i wasn't townreding you for that at any point, was i?

Ah, fair enough. No you weren't, people usually scumread me for that. I might have mistaken you with someone else then, maybe Andres? Doesn't matter anyway, the point is more that I feel the town points came a bit too easy for my liking. If it's just the effort, very well, might give it a pass, although I don't think this is a reliable tell.

[Datisi]

/shrug, your posts seemed enough effort which reminded me of the other game. though i'm not sure why you're bringing up waffling? i wasn't townreding you for that at any point, was i?

Ah, fair enough. No you weren't, people usually scumread me for that. I might have mistaken you with someone else then, maybe Andres? Doesn't matter anyway, the point is more that I feel the town points came a bit too easy for my liking. If it's just the effort, very well, might give it a pass, although I don't think this is a reliable tell.

hmm, mind talking about this a bit more? like, if you think the townpoints came too easy, and you also don't think efforting is a reliable tell for you... why are you giving me a pass?

[Alchemist21]

alc vote tris with us

Nah, don’t think I will.

Yeah. So what do you think of the wagon on tris? Are you town/null on tris and do you think the tris voters are legit with their votes? Why don't you want to go there?

I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who

screw around

and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.

I wouldn't really say that's what Tris was doing though, more like... flopping? Idk, I'm reluctant to call it flailing since I agree with your second sentence. If anything, it's Echo who was mucking about by spamvoting her.

You agree with my read but it doesn’t sound like your reason is the same, so what are you Townreading from Tris? Can you elaborate on why you Townread 89

[Testarossa]

hmm, mind talking about this a bit more? like, if you think the townpoints came too easy, and you also don't think efforting is a reliable tell for you... why are you giving me a pass?

Because I was going by the original assumption it was not or at least not just for the effort. If it's just for pure effort I think it might be comparable and you shouldn't really be aware of the latter (I don't have that much site meta), so considering your point of view I don't think it should be something that should be interpreted in your disfavour.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, we were both scum in that game, and you were in a hydra. I pushed posts made by you and your hydra partner and I got heated until I realized the posts were yours

oh, that game. I vaguely remember you being under a decent amount of suspicion and me, not so much. So you distanced from our slot as either a game strategy or as an attempt to make yourself look better. I also remember you as scum in another game that brought that game (coalition) as some form of proof for why you always find me scummy or something.

We’re going to 1v1, let’s get it out of the way now

I would have agreed with
that until that coalition game

So you are basically arguing the same thing here, no? Did you vote me so when I called bullshit on you you could argue that I'm "OMGUS" scum reading you? b/c that's what it sorta seems like.

My memory is I pushed you to try to look townier but it ended up being a super helpful distancing play because everyone ended up thinking I wouldn't do that sort of tunnel to a scumbuddy. And in that other game (the 40p D&D theme game) I did use it as a way to try to deflect your read on me, but here I just felt like making a joke about it. I think the fact you're picking up these sorts of things is actually a point in favor of you being town rn.

It was a joke? I find that surprising.

Why would Nero be less likely to make such observations as scum?

I think he's thinking harder about it, which points to being town
like scum probably posts something similar but without the thought of it showing

[Gamma Emerald]

but here I just felt like making a joke about it.

11 sorta makes me think this wasn't a joke.

but also

VOTE: echovision
Serious vote of my own.

you aren't using your words so either you are scum that's pretending like they are doing things by throwing down a forceful naked vote or you are massively unhelpful town.

I was joking about it because I wanted to move past it
And like, I was trying to pressure EV to not be rando but that didn't work it seems
still feel like voting there since I don't really know why EV is doing what he's doing and it's not a thing that I can see waved away by a "weird =/= scum" line

[Gamma Emerald]

^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?

I think I just had a game with scum him where he was rather quiet until pressed on it
He says he has weekend V/LA but it's not the weekend so that's not an excuse rn

[Alchemist21]

I think I had one game with scum Ico. I’ll check, thry might have been on the lower end of the post count then too. I don’t remember having them labelled in my head as a lurker, but I glossed over all their posts too.

[Alchemist21]

Ok the game I was thinking of they were Town. If there was another game I can’t remember which one. Their posts there average out to only 2 or 3 each rl day but they did post a lot at the start.

The game I’m referencing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79422

Yeah I think this is a good first wagon.

VOTE: Iconeum

VOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Iconeum
I'll walk alongside you on that

[tris]

right, this is a game that exists.

- my vote on tris wasn't serious at first and i am brushing off the whole joke/non-joke thing as weird NAI banter, but i actively dislike 99, the "oh you're scum and you know they're town" just feels like a very shady and frankly dumb argument

the first part of your sentence there is actually +town for me. I like how you decided to made a vote just to engage in the wagon. seems like a town thing to do.
the second part: what's so shady about that? it seemed like a stretch to me that mizzy's posts indicated town in any way. it made me think you might be biased by the fact that you already know they're town. you could even be scum fabricating a town read on a partner. either way, the bottom line is, the townread felt contrived.

i'm not sure what you mean by the first bit, what is supposed to be +town for you? the joke/non-joke thing? also, i kinda get the feeling that the "seems like a town thing to do" ws sarcastic, am i right?

oh sorry, i probably worded that confusingly. i was trying to say that the first part of that sentence was +town points towards you. when i said for me, i meant like from my perspective. and, no it was not sarcastic. it's 100% genuine. not that it cancels out my scum read. i'll just have to weigh these things.

iunno, it's just the "early reads seem tmi" is kinda like a pretty easy stance to take, especially since you didn't bother to ask me anything about it.

i just don't see how mizzy was being town. it all seemed pretty normal stuff.
i would think that criticizing it is an indirect way of asking about it. and i did ask a question before that. do you want to explain the read more?

if i told you that giving early reads is actually +town for me, does that change you opinion in any way?

not really, i'm not attacking you for having an early read.

[tris]

Ok the game I was thinking of they were Town. If there was another game I can’t remember which one. Their posts there average out to only 2 or 3 each rl day but they did post a lot at the start.

The game I’m referencing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79422

Yeah I think this is a good first wagon.

VOTE: Iconeum

VOTE:

huh? so, you found a game where iconeum was inactive as town, and one where he was inactive as scum, and your conclusion is that he's scum for being inactive?

[SirCakez]

Talk to me about tris town

Rather subjective, firstly I don't like half the wagon on her (mainly Una, who is my second scumlean).

Also I don't think her play comes across like coming from a scum agenda. It feels like she genuinely doesn't care how she gets perceived by others and with her recent posts it looks more to me that there is an actual interest in figuring other players' stances out.

While it is to take with a grain of salt I also skimmed a few games after I looked into the game Mizzy linked and I thought it was noticeable that she was as scum more serious out of the gate while she is more loose as town. It's easy to manipulate, but with my overall impression I will just roll with the simple answer here.

I can buy this. Tris doubling down on her weirdness here as scum doesn't make sense.

Ok the game I was thinking of they were Town. If there was another game I can’t remember which one. Their posts there average out to only 2 or 3 each rl day but they did post a lot at the start.

The game I’m referencing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79422

Yeah I think this is a good first wagon.

VOTE: Iconeum

VOTE:

Starting a wagon on a player who is MIA nice

[Alchemist21]

iconeum was inactive as town

Did you actually read the part of my post where I said Iconeum posted a lot at the start of the Town game?

[Alchemist21]

Starting a wagon on a player who is MIA nice

It's a good place to start.

[tris]

oh ok i see

[SirCakez]

What do you think you are gonna get out of wagoning someone who is not here

[Alchemist21]

Unless they replace out Iconeum will react to it when they do start posting.

If Iconeum does replace out, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

[Iconeum]

what the actual fuck

[Iconeum]

i ehh

confirm i am here to play

i don't know what happened but for some reason i forgot about this

[Iconeum]

catching up now lol

[Iconeum]

My tris vote is now seriousThese posts are terrible

what's terrible about said posts?