The Trials - ENDGAME

[RedPanda]

(And then takes a much more jokey tone once she stacks up some haters, and starts deflecting all serious questions her way with jokes)

whats one serious question i havent given a serious answer to?

Why would you want to send town to trial??

[RedPanda]

VOTE: Vecna

Sonething isn't right in the game without Vecna spamming it.

Comeon DGB! how come you aren't taking control of the game??

[RedPanda]

not gonna lie though I was planning on trying the same thing as battlemage and try and talk myself of the wagon. If it failed I still had a win con in trial. BM is either obvtown or supergambitscum.

I disagree, town is heavily incentivized to exe scum D1, therefore a gambit like that will not get a lot of weight on it's own imo, especially considered that BM unvoted pretty fast

I don't think we're disagreeing. I just don't see a weak scum player making that move.

Also, missed that post, you consider battle game as a weak scum? (I mean, i don't really know the guy, but he looks experienced at least)

You misunderstood. I just think 90% of scum players in this site are gutless and wouldn't make that move because there was a chance for it to backfire however small and a town player wouldn't care because of the additional wincon.

[RedPanda]

I just don't see the reward of towncred which will evaporate as the game goes longer as enough incentive for scum to make that move.

[RedPanda]

i respect a mans right to self-determination

Sure but we all have our own motives this game and how does helping BM help our shared wincon?

[RedPanda]

not gonna lie though I was planning on trying the same thing as battlemage and try and talk myself of the wagon. If it failed I still had a win con in trial. BM is either obvtown or supergambitscum.

I disagree, town is heavily incentivized to exe scum D1, therefore a gambit like that will not get a lot of weight on it's own imo, especially considered that BM unvoted pretty fast

I don't think we're disagreeing. I just don't see a weak scum player making that move.

ah that wont help you bud, im supergambittastic as scum (and town)

I'm giving you town cred! Don't light it on fire yourself

[RedPanda]

Also, i think we probably have 1-2 scum in the more "Lurky" players, do you all agree ? (i'm mainly susp of nosferatu while saying that)

100%. Like you said scum will try and avoid the day 1 execution.

[RedPanda]

it's been so long since I played with DGB and I don't even remember if I've ever played with DGB as scum but I've never seen DGB lay low like this but DGB's first post declaring Bm as town and then targeting a lurker next makes up for it.

[Gypyx]

I just don't see the reward of towncred which will evaporate as the game goes longer as enough incentive for scum to make that move.

I mean, you're kinda proving yourself wrong by giving BM towncred for doing that self-vote then right?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Vecna]

nah I didn't say I could be a CL, I was pointing out that the c caused much confusion and I should get an alt
continuing with this logic it could start with anything beginning with c.

shelly crayon-lover?

VOTE: BM are you confident you can pass the trial?

Not a great fan of taylors early posts. Jumping on the strange titus opening even though it was clear what she meant, but jumping straight off again to this.

Ill refrain from talking about sending town to trials before catching up because I bet that horsey has already been beaten to a pulp by now.

[Vecna]

i mean im pretty serious. BM asked for the vote. i assumed there was either good reason for why or it was some kind of reaction test. either way ill play along

Way to change my mind with the next two posts

[Vecna]

nah I didn't say I could be a CL, I was pointing out that the c caused much confusion and I should get an alt
continuing with this logic it could start with anything beginning with c.

shelly crayon-lover?

VOTE: BM are you confident you can pass the trial?

whoa how serious are you being here

nice attempt to deflect attention off yourself - im not convinced you care that much about this vote

would you rather I sit here, Tomatoes on my face, being wagoned and sucking my thumb?

I do like this gimmick account

[Not Known 15]

Send to the Trial 1.3

Tayl0r Swift (5) pob long; Fidget; Princess Leia; RedPanda; PlusJOYED;

Not Voting (4) EddieFenix; Marashu; Vecna; shellyc;

Princess Leia (3) Tayl0r Swift; Nosferatu;Battle Mage;

Vecna (1) DrippingGoofball;

Fidget (1) Titus;

Nosferatu (1) Gypyx;

pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Titus (0)

shellyc (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

[Not Known 15]

Princess Leia is being replaced.

[Vecna]

not gonna lie though I was planning on trying the same thing as battlemage and try and talk myself of the wagon. If it failed I still had a win con in trial. BM is either obvtown or supergambitscum.

more like nutlow-level1-gambitscum

[Vecna]

So we have Pob, Taylor, and BM town v scum discussions going on atm. By rolling thru and reading, so far I have PL and as town for now. POB, I'm watching you.

Like, I tried reading this sentence a bunch of times and I still have no idea of your actual stance.

[Vecna]

So we have Pob, Taylor, and BM town v scum discussions going on atm. By rolling thru and reading, so far I have PL and as town for now. POB, I'm watching you.

Could you tell what made you think that?

The Page 3 back and forth between TS and Pob immediately caught my attention. Leia is tracking things down and talking things thru. As another thing....

pob long is locktown.

shelly is already getting defensive and deflecting from my Consigliere point and saying she could be a Cult Leader instead? Why doesn't it stand for Commuter, shelly? I'm feeling tunneled already.

do tell me why pob long is "locktown"?

hey buddy quit rockin the boat, Will ya?

You'd want someone to point out WHY they consider you lock town. Pob could also be derp town still trying to find their sea/game legs imo. But, ehhhhh. There's just something that pings me to keep my eye on this. BM is also on my current short list of people to watch. I take a day to get going on things and my reads will swing back and forth depending on how things are going at the time.

Hmm, I kinda like this light analysis of the stuff going on. Not sure I share the conclusion on pob, but it seems to be coming from the right mindset.

[Vecna]

So we have Pob, Taylor, and BM town v scum discussions going on atm. By rolling thru and reading, so far I have PL and as town for now. POB, I'm watching you.

Could you tell what made you think that?

The Page 3 back and forth between TS and Pob immediately caught my attention. Leia is tracking things down and talking things thru. As another thing....

pob long is locktown.

shelly is already getting defensive and deflecting from my Consigliere point and saying she could be a Cult Leader instead? Why doesn't it stand for Commuter, shelly? I'm feeling tunneled already.

do tell me why pob long is "locktown"?

hey buddy quit rockin the boat, Will ya?

You'd want someone to point out WHY they consider you lock town. Pob could also be derp town still trying to find their sea/game legs imo. But, ehhhhh. There's just something that pings me to keep my eye on this. BM is also on my current short list of people to watch.

Oh my bad, though PL designated Pob Long at first, yeah that makes sense, i personally have BM as a town lean

Also does that mean you Townread taylor then? Or you think Taylor / Pob are S/S?

I take a day to get going on things and my reads will swing back and forth depending on how things are going at the time

Y'all have a post restriction that forces you to say obvious stuff or what

gypyx can be on my early good boy list for genuine call-outs

[Vecna]

am i a Donkey to you

you are coming off as a bit of an ass. thats an interesting question though. hmmm....

Why are there 4ms and 4 dots in the hm here? How much were you trying to portray to us that you were thinking?

there were only 3 m's. it took more than 4 milliseconds to write that post, but im not sure if any thought went into it.

I guess everyone in this game is just meme'ing.

tomorrow ill probably have forgotten every single read I had on anyone up until this point

[Vecna]

Wooo hello everyone, btw i have a curse that makes me alternate scum and town games, can i be conftown? K thx

I'm suspicious in part because I looked into this, and it isn't true at all. You rolled town twice in a row, and also rolled scum twice in a row.

Gives me even more inclination that you're setting in gambler's fallacy psychological tricks on us to make us think you're town.

Somebody called for a gambler's fallacy?

I have a theory that every trial is influenced by the trials that happened before btw

Also, might be me overanalysing wording but "the game starts with 12 vanilla town and 3 mafia goon" leaves room open for us gaining PR's later, does that seem like a realistic possibility?

OP said that there are 6 possible trials, based on day and alignment. I don't think that they're based on previous results; I think there's D1 town, D1 mafia, D2 town, D2 mafia, D3 town, and D3 mafia, and what those are should already be set. Scum team also decides on consequences, if I understood the setup correctly, so it's possible that their choices will change things more than the results.

big balls Mage here, volunteering to do the first trial.

Vote: Battle Mage

bad executions can be VERY bad for either team, especially a Day 1 scum execution.

Because this, going willingly to trial D1 is against your alignement in every case, even more than normally

I disagree with gypyx here. You can, as town, get a win for yourself even if your team loses, making a jester-like play possible (but if you jesterwin here, it's because you did well and that will help town). We know that trials are difficult for town to succeed. With no mention of mafia, I'm inferring that it's not difficult for mafia to succeed. However, passing trials helps town, not the team of whoever passed, so sending scum to a trial will give them a situation where they need to decide to help town at the risk of their own success, or fail and hope that one of their buddies also doesn't go to trial.

It's better for us to send scum to trial. It's bad news for us to send lynchbait to trial. It can be good for us to send competent town to trial, but at the end of the day I think it just comes down to, scumhunt and eliminate scum.

not gonna lie though I was planning on trying the same thing as battlemage and try and talk myself of the wagon. If it failed I still had a win con in trial. BM is either obvtown or supergambitscum.

I agree with this. I've been trying to think whether it's better to send competent town or scum to trial D1. So BM can be town for now.

Gypyx's responses give me the vibe of scum being cornered tbh

Cornered on what lmao, this whole conversation had no link to the game

Weird that you don't see it, or are trying to brush it off.


Also, V/LA until Saturday, more emphasis on limited access. I'll be around but won't really be able to focus on the game until then.

Barely read this post at all, but probably scum for giving serious replies/thoughts without noticing the general wtf-nature of the game

[Vecna]

@Fidget and plusjoy
I want you both to answer this.

Do you think pob long is a cat or a dog person? I also want you to explain what you'd do if you walked into a room and found pob long lying face down on his desk, as if he was planking but his legs are too far up the desk so it's not planking. Note, it is the 15th century in this scenario and mobile phones do not exist. You are also in a remote hut in the Sahara Desert. It is built onto an oasis so it is cool and you have water. You also have clothes and oatmeal, but that's about it.

pob long has a scumread and you are 80% sure he is town. Do you follow him on it?

Definately a cuckatoo person. I bet he'd probably teach him wacky insults in mandarin. Goes well to relax during said planking

[Vecna]

VOTE: Vecna

Sonething isn't right in the game without Vecna spamming it.

This was your second post. Why didnt you kick these slimes into shape before my arrival?

your house is in disarray

[Vecna]

vote taylor

super SRS, can even wagon nosferatu

i respect a mans right to self-determination

does this come off as genuine paranoia to you, shelly?

it does.

So you think that town would geniunely think that finishing your username by a "C" is scummy?

personally i think names ending in x to be much more scummy
whats the x stand for?
what are you hiding?

VOTE: leia
no one is allowed to vote taylor
id vote you all if i could

I was already wondering why u werent partaking in all this hi-fi stonertalk, and then u go and one-up everything.

wat

[Vecna]

Princess Leia is being replaced.

WTF?

NO