Mini Normal 2166 | Dog Show Champions | Game Over

[Egix96]

Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motives

you could
feel free to if you really think that's the best course of action for day 1

So you're just... fine with being misyeeted, if town?

Scum would know the amount of scum right?

Yeah, but they still have to pretend that they don't.

[tris]

i don't wann vote tris anymore and

this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

Why is it bad?
You think it's likely for scum to lolhammer at this point of D1?
And even if they did, you think they'd get away with it?

the real danger is if town lolhammers.

This falls under a similar category with why I voted for tris earlier.
Over-explaining your reasonings and actions this early in the game pings me hard as scummy.

ok, this actually answers my question. i think i get it.

[tris]

I'm gonna hop in on this and say that lolhammers definitely happen early D1 and not even necessarily scum, it can be just town not paying attention or troll town like NM. I've played games where town lolhammers town D1 and then gets elimmed d2 and then town is basically screwed. So I actually like Datisi for his awareness of that.

i won a very easy scum-game due to this

[SirCakez]

Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting

[SirCakez]

Liking Nero here this Gamma push is good

[tris]

you were just... randomly calling people town?

also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12

i don't think this is a legit scumslip but i could be persuaded otherwise

oh god, you're reminding me of a newbie game i read once. starting with this post and the discussion that followed.

[tris]

Am I really though?

Not really a fan of Gamma's language here

I think it’s

extremely unlikely

we have 4 scum

the above isn't exactly strong criticism of EV. Its not "extremely unlikely" its impossible. Me having a diffrent interpretation of what you said or meant to say isn't a misrep but nice use of buzzword placement.

but, it's not impossible

[tris]

i didn't say i agreed with it making him town, quite the opposite

Also there are only 2 scum but thats besides the point.

?

I'm clearly scum that slipped. I coulda swore I saw something that said there were only 2 scum here but I can't find it. Maybe I'm just subconciously projecting 2 scum since its a 12 player instead of a 13 player and in a 13 players its gonna be 10/3 so I may have been thinking it would just be 10/2 but I guess it could just be a 9/3.

oh, i forgot this was a 12 player game. even though i've just been reading posts that said that.

[tris]

I don’t only vote if I’m highly confident about a read. That’s the common course on my homesite, but I’ve played so much here vs. over there that I’m more inclined to apply my vote in aims of sorting people.

so, how are you doing this right now? like there doesn't seem to be any reason to be voting for iconeum anymore

[tris]

this is the part where i promise to make a reads list.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting

Liking Nero here this Gamma push is good

Have any reads that don’t just look like parroting others?

[UnaBombaH]

So I actually like Datisi for his awareness of that.

Are we really keeping it this simple?

[UnaBombaH]

you but EV is apparently a 2016 join date too. Yeah you're both pretty scummy.

Or at least acting weird, yea.
But so far surface-level, kneejerk reaction, first impression gutreads seem to be the thing anyway, so..

[UnaBombaH]

the real danger is if town lolhammers

This is also the more reasonable answer.

[SirCakez]

Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting

Liking Nero here this Gamma push is good

Have any reads that don’t just look like parroting others?

You're only pulling this out because you're mad I'm agreeing with Nero

So I actually like Datisi for his awareness of that.

Are we really keeping it this simple?

This early yeah

[Mizzytastic]

Yep, both the vote jumpy RVS and not being helpful when pressured for explanations. I think she said that game she always plays RVS like that but I'm too sleepy and phone posting to check right now. It's probably NAI, maybe slightly scum sided cos once i mentioned it she could play it up to look like that game.

You got any reads from her or the surrounding interactions? I'm getting a bit of a tonal town read from EchoVision, and I'm curious how Alch responds now there are votes there.

Ah, that's good. I skimmed the game you were linking a bit and thought her tone there is pretty similar to what she has displayed here so far, at least it just seems to be her nature. So I agree with it being nai. Why slightly scum? Do you think she changed her approach a bit after you mentioned it?

No, not really. If anything I think your interaction with tris looked natural, probably no svs at least. It's more an gut impression.

I'm around, quite tired, but should be able to read up at least

Slighly scum cos paranoia. I was thinking she could play it up to try and get me on side. Thinking about it more I'm not sure that makes sense. It basically involves tanking your cred in a way that even if it does get you town read (and she has past experience of that not being the case) doesn't mean town is gonna listen to you, and I'm not sure of the motivation for scum to do that so early into the game.

I do think it looks more extreme here, it's taking her longer to get around to making cases on other players - in that game she picked up pretty early after she got pressure on feeling that another player was getting off lighter than her for the same sort of behaviour.

[Mizzytastic]

I like 79. Being aware of your biases in a way that makes you less likely to push someone seems town motivated.

OK tris, I promise to make a serious vote when I've caught up. I won't bring up previous games in future and just let you do stuff that people read as scummy without context.

[Mizzytastic]

Is alch even trying?

Testa does not like alch either. I like we have the same feeling at the same time.

First tris read and I like it.

Not sure what I think of Egix's takes.

Una comes in joking after conversations about whether or not it's merited. Confident/comfortable

[Mizzytastic]

I like testa a lot.

Egix and alch. Too slots I'm not sure on right now. One votes other with sure whatever. This is meh.

I was liking Gamma but I see what Nero is seeing. I'm guessing it'll get answered later in catch up

I'm starting to see more of the tris townread coming in.

And I definitely like Datisi.

[Mizzytastic]

Did not see the Ico votes coming. I was liking Gamma and at least had a tone read on Echo (though it sounds like he does it every game) but ... gut feels off about how Gamma is thinking about Echo?

I like cakes (and also cakez)

We have a dragon!

[Mizzytastic]

I don't see what Una is seeing in Datisi.

Ico has smart words. Bit anxious about that slot just cos of Datisi's attitude early.

No longer convinced I see what Nero was seeing. There's a surprising amount of talk this game that comes down to "is this or isn't this early stuff joking". I feel like we're already getting past that?

[Datisi]

And I definitely like Datisi.

what have i done to deserve the honours?

Ico has smart words. Bit anxious about that slot just cos of Datisi's attitude early.

i think you might have misunderstood what i meant when i said that he has a "reputation"... did you take it to mean he's a strong/dangerous scum player? (*cough* not saying he's not *cough* ico pls don't yell at me)

[Mizzytastic]

Surprised Ico usually gets scumread? Does this make this game unusual cos I'm not seeing it.

Actually no, you're right. That should be something Gamma picks up on.

Nero feels light tunneled on Gamma. Not THIS MUST DIE but This is THE thing worthy of looking at right now. Gamma isn't really worried. Not really feeling SvT to me but I could guess I could see it coming from TvT or SvS where Gamma knows it's not something to worry about

Echo feels lazy, not slippy here. But the initial tone read really hasn't kept up.

I should probably look at this game and judge for myself when I'm not trying to get through this game before I fall asleep on my laptop

[Mizzytastic]

When I read your posts it all makes sense. But like I just said at the end of the last post I'm struggling with the catch up so pointing out specifics will have to wait.

I read it as probably meaning Ico warps games that he is in around him. Competence, or just being loud and unpredictable enough it's hard to read. I think you're right I may have misunderstood you

[Datisi]

ye don't worry about it, we're not in a rush

I read it as probably meaning Ico warps games that he is in around him. Competence, or just being loud and unpredictable enough it's hard to read. I think you're right I may have misunderstood you

what i meant is that he often gets heavily scumread at the beginning of games, while i'm usually the only person that knows about his playstyle and that has to keep yelling how "this thing or that thing is not scum indicative for ico, please stop tunnelling him, we're wasting our time". i didn't wanna say anything at the time though since self-fullfilling prophercies, setting stuff up, etc.