Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 1.003
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	CreativeMod1, Fun and Games, Bingle	EL-4	2	3	3	SirCakez
GeorgeBailey	None	EL-7	3	3	4	GeorgeBailey
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	PenguinPower	EL-6	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	SirCakez	EL-6	3	3	1	Nosferatu
DoctorPepper	Ydrasse	EL-6	3	3	3	DoctorPepper
PenguinPower	Pine, Nosferatu	EL-5	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	DoctorPepper, Albert B. Rampage	EL-5	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
beeboy	Gamma Emerald	EL-6	3	3	3	beeboy
Not Voting	GeorgeBailey, beeboy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-27 23:16:10)
Notes: beeboy is V/LA until Sept 21 finally, a pagetop!!!

[Ydrasse]

"DOCTORS have a factional operation ability. Each night, they can select one player to operate on and increase or decrease that player's Knowledge by 1."

also, uh, if nosferatu is town i think that we should very much get some knowledge his way. i would gently recommend that he goes to the library to get some book smarts tonight

[Ydrasse]

that was supposed to be mine.

[Ydrasse]

alllllso i would prefer to go to the gym tonight.

two actions is better than one.

[SirCakez]

I'm fine with setup spec but I can't get into it myself
just fyi

[Ydrasse]

i am not the best at it admittedly

[Fun and Games]

however, i don't know how to feel about stacking a single player? like, say that the doctors decide to attack the stacked person one night; they use the factional attack, and then (presuming all are alive here) all attack the same person. if they're worried that they can't kill that night, they can just use their one-shot to make themselves anonymous and do the same thing tomorrow to kill them off, since at that point i think the odds would lean much more towards the doctors being able to kill whoever was stacked? also, whoever we try to stack up will most likely end up the target of the -1 knowledge loss each night.

This is a great point and I love the way you think about this from a risk-perspective. I will discuss with my better half about whether to town-slot you as she is much better at this game than I am.

The way I thought about the risk is - the mafia do not really have the freedom to use all their attacks on someone as long as there is a public room with stat modification and speed is low.

What I mean by this is - if say all players only had one action and we decided to have 11 players go to the library to study and 1 super knowledge item stacked player go disarm a lab. The mafia cannot deviate and attack the stacked player instead of going to study because then their stats will not increase the next day. Also the stack played would presumably have some kind of item that boosts his defense so that it would be riskier for the mafia to risk unveiling themselves just to attack them.

As far as I understand the rules - even if we were to stack a player - the items would not be "lost" per se if the player were to die - we can loot their corpse and stack another player so the risk is not that great.

The primary reason I like stacking is because it's much more effective to have 1 player with knowledge 5 or 6 attacking a lab rather than 5 players with knowledge 3 - the odds are just much much better. Also having multiple players attacking a lab gives mafia room to do bad things and lie about it as the probability of failure is reasonably high. Whereas if a stacked player with knowledge 5 failed to blow up a lab - it is much less likely.

[Ydrasse]

i feel a little better about stacking someone because... i was acting as if the items just vanished on death. but can't the doctors just try to steal them anyways? it might be obvious for some, but surely not all of them offer stat perks and won't be obvious who has them.

however, what happens when everyone uses the rooms we have right now? like, we have two rooms that people can use and we can feasibly track who went to them based on stats, and who might've been targetted by attacked — but that's because everyone (abilities left out of this) only has one action. the doctors will be enabled by their second action should they get the speed to do what they want, whether it's activate a lab, steal, etc etc. and we're not guaranteed to find a room like the ones we have so far that will give us a "surefire" way to check someone. we can 'log' what everyone does but it's easy to lie about rooms that don't give you a +1 to something.

also, the doctors can surely fake going to some of the rooms, right? they already have the ability to do that for one.

[DoctorPepper]

Okay all this set up spec is just confusing to me

[Fun and Games]

i feel a little better about stacking someone because... i was acting as if the items just vanished on death. but can't the doctors just try to steal them anyways? it might be obvious for some, but surely not all of them offer stat perks and won't be obvious who has them.

well I thought stacking items would make sense for the stat enhancing ones that we can see as we can enforce some kind of accountability for the action taken.

[Bingle]

The organizing of items that may or may not exist is a remarkably useless way to spend day one.

FWIW, stacking them all on one person is a potentially viable plan, but not one we should even consider before we know more about the setup.

[Bingle]

Also @Nosferatu - what happened to your knowledge? Did the scum use their factional ability to reduce it? This would put you very close to dying if I am reading the rules correctly and you should go to the library to fix this.

Ew.

"DOCTORS have a factional operation ability. Each night, they can select one player to operate on and increase or decrease that player's Knowledge by 1."

also, uh, if nosferatu is town i think that we should very much get some knowledge his way. i would gently recommend that he goes to the library to get some book smarts tonight

Ew^2.

I'm fine with setup spec but I can't get into it myself
just fyi

Okay. How do you feel about things like the wagon on you that aren't setup spec?

[Bingle]

PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald

Fun and Games

Nosferatu
GeorgeBailey
Pine

beeboy - Null line.
CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage

DoctorPepper

Ydrasse
SirCakez

[Nosferatu]

Also @Nosferatu - what happened to your knowledge?

u calling me stupid?

[Bingle]

Akshually...

VOTE: Ydrasse

I think I'm slightly more confident in this. Follow me and we can eliminate all the Doctors!

[SirCakez]

Are the posts on this page written in another language
Bingle don't think I missed that you ignored me

[SirCakez]

Okay. How do you feel about things like the wagon on you that aren't setup spec?

Nobody has given any reasoning for it other than F/G being I didn't want night action massclaim? So not much to say there.

[Fun and Games]

Also @Nosferatu - what happened to your knowledge?

u calling me stupid?

I'm trying to figure out if the scum-team used their -1 knowledge ability on you or if you had some kind of game event involving knowledge reduction from the moderator.

Since you know what happened to you last night, I was hoping you would clear things up.

~Fun

[DoctorPepper]

Are the posts on this page written in another language
Bingle don't think I missed that you ignored me

I don't know why you're the wagon rn tbh

[Ydrasse]

bingle has successfully identified me and one of my fellow doctors, godspeed to my faction

anyways, how does everyone else feel about the prospects of a super-stacked person that we choose?

[DoctorPepper]

bingle has successfully identified me and one of my fellow doctors, godspeed to my faction

anyways, how does everyone else feel about the prospects of a super-stacked person that we choose?

Wait are you actually scum or are you being facetious

[Bingle]

Spoiler:

I see I have somehow completely missed the existence of the dawn phase - I am quite bad at reading rules.

Should we mass-claim what we did last night and our motivations behind our actions?

Why would we do this?

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

Like, how?

I don't know, their roles/Careers or items I'd assume
We also don't know if stuff is multitasking or not

I'm fine with setup spec but I can't get into it myself
just fyi

Reason for voting SirCakez. He jumps into game focusing on setup spec, and then immediately proves he didn't know possibly the most interesting parts of the setup: Scum can't kill. Also, there's like 5 references to multiple actions. In the rules section:

Spoiler:

All players are able to perform as many of the following actions as they would like:

3) Each Night phase, perform up to [half your speed rounded down, with a minimum of 1] of the following actions:

You are not allowed to send me conditional actions (i.e. "if I discover an Item room, then attempt to Activate X LAB").

Players can choose to use as few as zero of their actions during each Night phase.
If a player does not submit actions during the Night phase, I will by default assume they use one action to explore Rooms and do not perform any other actions.

DOCTORS do not have a factional nightkill. Instead, DOCTORS have an additional factional attack they can use once per Night (in addition to their personal actions) by nominating one of the DOCTORS to perform the attack. The attack counts as an additional action for that DOCTOR and the nominated DOCTOR can use any stat modifications, abilities, etc. in their possession on this attack in addition to any personal attacks made. However, this attack will never be shown as attributed to a specific DOCTOR, but instead will appear as if “a DOCTOR” attacked (i.e., identity will always be private for factional attack). This factional attack does not count towards the personal limit of actions taken.

And yet, SC was A) aware that labs needed to be destroyed, B) unaware of multitasking, and C)

hasn't actually done any scumhunting

. Very much press doubt to X.

[Bingle]

bingle has successfully identified me and one of my fellow doctors, godspeed to my faction

anyways, how does everyone else feel about the prospects of a super-stacked person that we choose?

Wait are you actually scum or are you being facetious

Yes.


Ydrasse is scum because holy shit did you see how scummy 126 and 128 are?

126 is a gross LAMISTY pile on to a gross LAMISTY sentiment. Yes, Nosferatu should try not to die. That's obvious, and there's no point to pointing out to Nosferatu except to try to look town, and Ydrasse was the second one to do it. 128 is seeking permission from the thread to do the obviously correct play tonight, which comes across as not wanting to be held accountable for her actions.

Ydrasse wants to be seen as town, but nothing that she's doing has anything more than surface value.

[Ydrasse]

bingle has successfully identified me and one of my fellow doctors, godspeed to my faction

anyways, how does everyone else feel about the prospects of a super-stacked person that we choose?

Wait are you actually scum or are you being facetious

i'm hard scumclaiming

(it's page 6 and bingle is wrong about and i really don't care)

[Ydrasse]

also yeah 128 is obvious but in a more mechanics-heavy game i prefer to make things clearer esp coming off the end of mech-speculation lol